2010年01月13日 星期三 13:06
原文: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/01/new-approach-to-china.html 鉴于是敏感话题,我就不做翻译了。仅仅标注出重点部分。因为本邮件抄送到了不 止一个邮件列表。那些回复服务器在国内的邮件列表的朋友们注意用词。我只是想 说:倘若我能够为争取多数人自由而尽一份力,我义不容辞。对于低劣,无耻的流 氓行径,我深表鄙视。 重点: In mid-December, we detected a highly sophisticated and targeted attack on our corporate infrastructure originating from China that resulted in the theft of intellectual property from Google. As part of our investigation we have discovered that at least twenty other large companies from a wide range of businesses...have been similarly targeted. A primary goal of the attackers was accessing the Gmail accounts of Chinese human rights activists. The accounts of dozens of U.S.-, China- and Europe-based Gmail users who are advocates of human rights in China appear to have been routinely accessed by third parties. These accounts have not been accessed through any security breach at Google, but most likely via phishing scams or malware placed on the users' computers. These attacks and the surveillance they have uncovered--combined with the attempts over the past year to further limit free speech on the web--have led us to conclude that we should review the feasibility of our business operations in China ... We recognize that this may well mean having to shut down Google.cn, and potentially our offices in China. 原文: Like many other well-known organizations, we face cyber attacks of varying degrees on a regular basis. *In mid-December, we detected a highly sophisticated and targeted attack on our corporate infrastructure originating from China that resulted in the theft of intellectual property from Google.* However, it soon became clear that what at first appeared to be solely a security incident--albeit a significant one--was something quite different. First, this attack was not just on Google. *As part of our investigation we have discovered that at least twenty other large companies from a wide range of businesses--including the Internet, finance, technology, media and chemical sectors--have been similarly targeted.* We are currently in the process of notifying those companies, and we are also working with the relevant U.S. authorities. Second, we have evidence to suggest that *a primary goal of the attackers was accessing the Gmail accounts of Chinese human rights activists.* Based on our investigation to date we believe their attack did not achieve that objective. Only two Gmail accounts appear to have been accessed, and that activity was limited to account information (such as the date the account was created) and subject line, rather than the content of emails themselves. Third, as part of this investigation but independent of the attack on Google, we have discovered that *the accounts of dozens of U.S.-, China- and Europe-based Gmail users who are advocates of human rights in China appear to have been routinely accessed by third parties. These accounts have not been accessed through any security breach at Google, but most likely via phishing scams or malware placed on the users' computers.* We have already used information gained from this attack to make infrastructure and architectural improvements that enhance security for Google and for our users. In terms of individual users, we would advise people to deploy reputable anti-virus and anti-spyware programs on their computers, to install patches for their operating systems and to update their web browsers. Always be cautious when clicking on links appearing in instant messages and emails, or when asked to share personal information like passwords online. You can read more here about our cyber-security recommendations. People wanting to learn more about these kinds of attacks can read this U.S. government report (PDF), Nart Villeneuve's blog and this presentation on the GhostNet spying incident. We have taken the unusual step of sharing information about these attacks with a broad audience not just because of the security and human rights implications of what we have unearthed, but also because this information goes to the heart of a much bigger global debate about freedom of speech. In the last two decades, China's economic reform programs and its citizens' entrepreneurial flair have lifted hundreds of millions of Chinese people out of poverty. Indeed, this great nation is at the heart of much economic progress and development in the world today. We launched Google.cn in January 2006 in the belief that the benefits of increased access to information for people in China and a more open Internet outweighed our discomfort in agreeing to censor some results. At the time we made clear that "we will carefully monitor conditions in China, including new laws and other restrictions on our services. If we determine that we are unable to achieve the objectives outlined we will not hesitate to reconsider our approach to China." *These attacks and the surveillance they have uncovered--combined with the attempts over the past year to further limit free speech on the web--have led us to conclude that we should review the feasibility of our business operations in China.* We have decided we are no longer willing to continue censoring our results on Google.cn, and so over the next few weeks we will be discussing with the Chinese government the basis on which we could operate an unfiltered search engine within the law, if at all. We recognize that this may well mean having to shut down Google.cn, and potentially our offices in China. The decision to review our business operations in China has been incredibly hard, and we know that it will have potentially far-reaching consequences. We want to make clear that this move was driven by our executives in the United States, without the knowledge or involvement of our employees in China who have worked incredibly hard to make Google.cn the success it is today. We are committed to working responsibly to resolve the very difficult issues raised. -- Regards Monnand Email: monnand在gmail.com GTalk: monnand在gmail.com
2010年01月13日 星期三 14:15
刚才才对朋友说,好在你续费了你的那个收费VPN. 以后天朝的网会怎么样,鬼知道. 2010/1/13 monnand <monnand.deng在gmail.com> > 原文: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/01/new-approach-to-china.html > > 鉴于是敏感话题,我就不做翻译了。仅仅标注出重点部分。因为本邮件抄送到了不 > 止一个邮件列表。那些回复服务器在国内的邮件列表的朋友们注意用词。我只是想 > 说:倘若我能够为争取多数人自由而尽一份力,我义不容辞。对于低劣,无耻的流 > 氓行径,我深表鄙视。 > > 重点: > In mid-December, we detected a highly sophisticated and targeted attack > on our corporate infrastructure originating from China that resulted in > the theft of intellectual property from Google. > > As part of our investigation we have discovered that at least twenty > other large companies from a wide range of businesses...have been > similarly targeted. > > A primary goal of the attackers was accessing the Gmail accounts of > Chinese human rights activists. > > The accounts of dozens of U.S.-, China- and Europe-based Gmail users who > are advocates of human rights in China appear to have been routinely > accessed by third parties. These accounts have not been accessed through > any security breach at Google, but most likely via phishing scams or > malware placed on the users' computers. > > These attacks and the surveillance they have uncovered--combined with > the attempts over the past year to further limit free speech on the > web--have led us to conclude that we should review the feasibility of > our business operations in China ... We recognize that this may well > mean having to shut down Google.cn, and potentially our offices in China. > > 原文: > > Like many other well-known organizations, we face cyber attacks of > varying degrees on a regular basis. *In mid-December, we detected a > highly sophisticated and targeted attack on our corporate infrastructure > originating from China that resulted in the theft of intellectual > property from Google.* However, it soon became clear that what at first > appeared to be solely a security incident--albeit a significant one--was > something quite different. > > First, this attack was not just on Google. *As part of our investigation > we have discovered that at least twenty other large companies from a > wide range of businesses--including the Internet, finance, technology, > media and chemical sectors--have been similarly targeted.* We are > currently in the process of notifying those companies, and we are also > working with the relevant U.S. authorities. > > Second, we have evidence to suggest that *a primary goal of the > attackers was accessing the Gmail accounts of Chinese human rights > activists.* Based on our investigation to date we believe their attack > did not achieve that objective. Only two Gmail accounts appear to have > been accessed, and that activity was limited to account information > (such as the date the account was created) and subject line, rather than > the content of emails themselves. > > Third, as part of this investigation but independent of the attack on > Google, we have discovered that *the accounts of dozens of U.S.-, China- > and Europe-based Gmail users who are advocates of human rights in China > appear to have been routinely accessed by third parties. These accounts > have not been accessed through any security breach at Google, but most > likely via phishing scams or malware placed on the users' computers.* > > We have already used information gained from this attack to make > infrastructure and architectural improvements that enhance security for > Google and for our users. In terms of individual users, we would advise > people to deploy reputable anti-virus and anti-spyware programs on their > computers, to install patches for their operating systems and to update > their web browsers. Always be cautious when clicking on links appearing > in instant messages and emails, or when asked to share personal > information like passwords online. You can read more here about our > cyber-security recommendations. People wanting to learn more about these > kinds of attacks can read this U.S. government report (PDF), Nart > Villeneuve's blog and this presentation on the GhostNet spying incident. > > We have taken the unusual step of sharing information about these > attacks with a broad audience not just because of the security and human > rights implications of what we have unearthed, but also because this > information goes to the heart of a much bigger global debate about > freedom of speech. In the last two decades, China's economic reform > programs and its citizens' entrepreneurial flair have lifted hundreds of > millions of Chinese people out of poverty. Indeed, this great nation is > at the heart of much economic progress and development in the world today. > > We launched Google.cn in January 2006 in the belief that the benefits of > increased access to information for people in China and a more open > Internet outweighed our discomfort in agreeing to censor some results. > At the time we made clear that "we will carefully monitor conditions in > China, including new laws and other restrictions on our services. If we > determine that we are unable to achieve the objectives outlined we will > not hesitate to reconsider our approach to China." > > *These attacks and the surveillance they have uncovered--combined with > the attempts over the past year to further limit free speech on the > web--have led us to conclude that we should review the feasibility of > our business operations in China.* We have decided we are no longer > willing to continue censoring our results on Google.cn, and so over the > next few weeks we will be discussing with the Chinese government the > basis on which we could operate an unfiltered search engine within the > law, if at all. We recognize that this may well mean having to shut down > Google.cn, and potentially our offices in China. > > The decision to review our business operations in China has been > incredibly hard, and we know that it will have potentially far-reaching > consequences. We want to make clear that this move was driven by our > executives in the United States, without the knowledge or involvement of > our employees in China who have worked incredibly hard to make Google.cn > the success it is today. We are committed to working responsibly to > resolve the very difficult issues raised. > > > -- > Regards > > Monnand > Email: monnand在gmail.com > GTalk: monnand在gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > zeuux-universe mailing list > zeuux-universe在zeuux.org > http://www.zeuux.org/mailman/listinfo/zeuux-universe > > ZEUUX Project - Free Software, Free Society! > http://www.zeuux.org -- From: Yesheng Zou -------------- 下一部分 -------------- 一个HTML附件被移除... URL: <http://www.zeuux.org/pipermail/zeuux-universe/attachments/20100113/1c111143/attachment.html>
2010年01月13日 星期三 14:21
不翻墙是看不到了。 另一条消息:有消息人士从谷歌内部了解到,目前谷歌中国员工已经不允许访问任 何代码,而且可以带薪休假。 monnand 写道: > 原文: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/01/new-approach-to-china.html > > 鉴于是敏感话题,我就不做翻译了。仅仅标注出重点部分。因为本邮件抄送到了不 > 止一个邮件列表。那些回复服务器在国内的邮件列表的朋友们注意用词。我只是想 > 说:倘若我能够为争取多数人自由而尽一份力,我义不容辞。对于低劣,无耻的流 > 氓行径,我深表鄙视。 > > 重点: > In mid-December, we detected a highly sophisticated and targeted attack > on our corporate infrastructure originating from China that resulted in > the theft of intellectual property from Google. > > As part of our investigation we have discovered that at least twenty > other large companies from a wide range of businesses...have been > similarly targeted. > > A primary goal of the attackers was accessing the Gmail accounts of > Chinese human rights activists. > > The accounts of dozens of U.S.-, China- and Europe-based Gmail users who > are advocates of human rights in China appear to have been routinely > accessed by third parties. These accounts have not been accessed through > any security breach at Google, but most likely via phishing scams or > malware placed on the users' computers. > > These attacks and the surveillance they have uncovered--combined with > the attempts over the past year to further limit free speech on the > web--have led us to conclude that we should review the feasibility of > our business operations in China ... We recognize that this may well > mean having to shut down Google.cn, and potentially our offices in China. > > 原文: > > Like many other well-known organizations, we face cyber attacks of > varying degrees on a regular basis. *In mid-December, we detected a > highly sophisticated and targeted attack on our corporate infrastructure > originating from China that resulted in the theft of intellectual > property from Google.* However, it soon became clear that what at first > appeared to be solely a security incident--albeit a significant one--was > something quite different. > > First, this attack was not just on Google. *As part of our investigation > we have discovered that at least twenty other large companies from a > wide range of businesses--including the Internet, finance, technology, > media and chemical sectors--have been similarly targeted.* We are > currently in the process of notifying those companies, and we are also > working with the relevant U.S. authorities. > > Second, we have evidence to suggest that *a primary goal of the > attackers was accessing the Gmail accounts of Chinese human rights > activists.* Based on our investigation to date we believe their attack > did not achieve that objective. Only two Gmail accounts appear to have > been accessed, and that activity was limited to account information > (such as the date the account was created) and subject line, rather than > the content of emails themselves. > > Third, as part of this investigation but independent of the attack on > Google, we have discovered that *the accounts of dozens of U.S.-, China- > and Europe-based Gmail users who are advocates of human rights in China > appear to have been routinely accessed by third parties. These accounts > have not been accessed through any security breach at Google, but most > likely via phishing scams or malware placed on the users' computers.* > > We have already used information gained from this attack to make > infrastructure and architectural improvements that enhance security for > Google and for our users. In terms of individual users, we would advise > people to deploy reputable anti-virus and anti-spyware programs on their > computers, to install patches for their operating systems and to update > their web browsers. Always be cautious when clicking on links appearing > in instant messages and emails, or when asked to share personal > information like passwords online. You can read more here about our > cyber-security recommendations. People wanting to learn more about these > kinds of attacks can read this U.S. government report (PDF), Nart > Villeneuve's blog and this presentation on the GhostNet spying incident. > > We have taken the unusual step of sharing information about these > attacks with a broad audience not just because of the security and human > rights implications of what we have unearthed, but also because this > information goes to the heart of a much bigger global debate about > freedom of speech. In the last two decades, China's economic reform > programs and its citizens' entrepreneurial flair have lifted hundreds of > millions of Chinese people out of poverty. Indeed, this great nation is > at the heart of much economic progress and development in the world today. > > We launched Google.cn in January 2006 in the belief that the benefits of > increased access to information for people in China and a more open > Internet outweighed our discomfort in agreeing to censor some results. > At the time we made clear that "we will carefully monitor conditions in > China, including new laws and other restrictions on our services. If we > determine that we are unable to achieve the objectives outlined we will > not hesitate to reconsider our approach to China." > > *These attacks and the surveillance they have uncovered--combined with > the attempts over the past year to further limit free speech on the > web--have led us to conclude that we should review the feasibility of > our business operations in China.* We have decided we are no longer > willing to continue censoring our results on Google.cn, and so over the > next few weeks we will be discussing with the Chinese government the > basis on which we could operate an unfiltered search engine within the > law, if at all. We recognize that this may well mean having to shut down > Google.cn, and potentially our offices in China. > > The decision to review our business operations in China has been > incredibly hard, and we know that it will have potentially far-reaching > consequences. We want to make clear that this move was driven by our > executives in the United States, without the knowledge or involvement of > our employees in China who have worked incredibly hard to make Google.cn > the success it is today. We are committed to working responsibly to > resolve the very difficult issues raised. > > >
2010年01月13日 星期三 14:28
仲光泽 写道: > 不翻墙是看不到了。 > > 另一条消息:有消息人士从谷歌内部了解到,目前谷歌中国员工已经不允许访问 > 任 何代码,而且可以带薪休假。 > twitter上正在掀起一片热潮。最新词汇:非法献花 > > > monnand 写道: >> 原文: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/01/new-approach-to-china.html >> >> 鉴于是敏感话题,我就不做翻译了。仅仅标注出重点部分。因为本邮件抄送到了不 >> 止一个邮件列表。那些回复服务器在国内的邮件列表的朋友们注意用词。我只是想 >> 说:倘若我能够为争取多数人自由而尽一份力,我义不容辞。对于低劣,无耻的流 >> 氓行径,我深表鄙视。 >> >> 重点: >> In mid-December, we detected a highly sophisticated and targeted attack >> on our corporate infrastructure originating from China that resulted in >> the theft of intellectual property from Google. >> >> As part of our investigation we have discovered that at least twenty >> other large companies from a wide range of businesses...have been >> similarly targeted. >> >> A primary goal of the attackers was accessing the Gmail accounts of >> Chinese human rights activists. >> >> The accounts of dozens of U.S.-, China- and Europe-based Gmail users who >> are advocates of human rights in China appear to have been routinely >> accessed by third parties. These accounts have not been accessed through >> any security breach at Google, but most likely via phishing scams or >> malware placed on the users' computers. >> >> These attacks and the surveillance they have uncovered--combined with >> the attempts over the past year to further limit free speech on the >> web--have led us to conclude that we should review the feasibility of >> our business operations in China ... We recognize that this may well >> mean having to shut down Google.cn, and potentially our offices in >> China. >> >> 原文: >> >> Like many other well-known organizations, we face cyber attacks of >> varying degrees on a regular basis. *In mid-December, we detected a >> highly sophisticated and targeted attack on our corporate infrastructure >> originating from China that resulted in the theft of intellectual >> property from Google.* However, it soon became clear that what at first >> appeared to be solely a security incident--albeit a significant one--was >> something quite different. >> >> First, this attack was not just on Google. *As part of our investigation >> we have discovered that at least twenty other large companies from a >> wide range of businesses--including the Internet, finance, technology, >> media and chemical sectors--have been similarly targeted.* We are >> currently in the process of notifying those companies, and we are also >> working with the relevant U.S. authorities. >> >> Second, we have evidence to suggest that *a primary goal of the >> attackers was accessing the Gmail accounts of Chinese human rights >> activists.* Based on our investigation to date we believe their attack >> did not achieve that objective. Only two Gmail accounts appear to have >> been accessed, and that activity was limited to account information >> (such as the date the account was created) and subject line, rather than >> the content of emails themselves. >> >> Third, as part of this investigation but independent of the attack on >> Google, we have discovered that *the accounts of dozens of U.S.-, China- >> and Europe-based Gmail users who are advocates of human rights in China >> appear to have been routinely accessed by third parties. These accounts >> have not been accessed through any security breach at Google, but most >> likely via phishing scams or malware placed on the users' computers.* >> >> We have already used information gained from this attack to make >> infrastructure and architectural improvements that enhance security for >> Google and for our users. In terms of individual users, we would advise >> people to deploy reputable anti-virus and anti-spyware programs on their >> computers, to install patches for their operating systems and to update >> their web browsers. Always be cautious when clicking on links appearing >> in instant messages and emails, or when asked to share personal >> information like passwords online. You can read more here about our >> cyber-security recommendations. People wanting to learn more about these >> kinds of attacks can read this U.S. government report (PDF), Nart >> Villeneuve's blog and this presentation on the GhostNet spying incident. >> >> We have taken the unusual step of sharing information about these >> attacks with a broad audience not just because of the security and human >> rights implications of what we have unearthed, but also because this >> information goes to the heart of a much bigger global debate about >> freedom of speech. In the last two decades, China's economic reform >> programs and its citizens' entrepreneurial flair have lifted hundreds of >> millions of Chinese people out of poverty. Indeed, this great nation is >> at the heart of much economic progress and development in the world >> today. >> >> We launched Google.cn in January 2006 in the belief that the benefits of >> increased access to information for people in China and a more open >> Internet outweighed our discomfort in agreeing to censor some results. >> At the time we made clear that "we will carefully monitor conditions in >> China, including new laws and other restrictions on our services. If we >> determine that we are unable to achieve the objectives outlined we will >> not hesitate to reconsider our approach to China." >> >> *These attacks and the surveillance they have uncovered--combined with >> the attempts over the past year to further limit free speech on the >> web--have led us to conclude that we should review the feasibility of >> our business operations in China.* We have decided we are no longer >> willing to continue censoring our results on Google.cn, and so over the >> next few weeks we will be discussing with the Chinese government the >> basis on which we could operate an unfiltered search engine within the >> law, if at all. We recognize that this may well mean having to shut down >> Google.cn, and potentially our offices in China. >> >> The decision to review our business operations in China has been >> incredibly hard, and we know that it will have potentially far-reaching >> consequences. We want to make clear that this move was driven by our >> executives in the United States, without the knowledge or involvement of >> our employees in China who have worked incredibly hard to make Google.cn >> the success it is today. We are committed to working responsibly to >> resolve the very difficult issues raised. >> >> >> > > > -- Regards Monnand Email: monnand在gmail.com GTalk: monnand在gmail.com
2010年01月13日 星期三 16:22
转一条我认为很不错的推: 不是谷歌退出了中国,而中国退出了世界。 2010/1/13 monnand <monnand.deng在gmail.com>: > 仲光泽 写道: >> >> 不翻墙是看不到了。 >> >> 另一条消息:有消息人士从谷歌内部了解到,目前谷歌中国员工已经不允许访问 任 何代码,而且可以带薪休假。 >> > twitter上正在掀起一片热潮。最新词汇:非法献花 >> >> >> monnand 写道: >>> >>> 原文: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/01/new-approach-to-china.html >>> >>> 鉴于是敏感话题,我就不做翻译了。仅仅标注出重点部分。因为本邮件抄送到了不 >>> 止一个邮件列表。那些回复服务器在国内的邮件列表的朋友们注意用词。我只是想 >>> 说:倘若我能够为争取多数人自由而尽一份力,我义不容辞。对于低劣,无耻的流 >>> 氓行径,我深表鄙视。 >>> >>> 重点: >>> In mid-December, we detected a highly sophisticated and targeted attack >>> on our corporate infrastructure originating from China that resulted in >>> the theft of intellectual property from Google. >>> >>> As part of our investigation we have discovered that at least twenty >>> other large companies from a wide range of businesses...have been >>> similarly targeted. >>> >>> A primary goal of the attackers was accessing the Gmail accounts of >>> Chinese human rights activists. >>> >>> The accounts of dozens of U.S.-, China- and Europe-based Gmail users who >>> are advocates of human rights in China appear to have been routinely >>> accessed by third parties. These accounts have not been accessed through >>> any security breach at Google, but most likely via phishing scams or >>> malware placed on the users' computers. >>> >>> These attacks and the surveillance they have uncovered--combined with >>> the attempts over the past year to further limit free speech on the >>> web--have led us to conclude that we should review the feasibility of >>> our business operations in China ... We recognize that this may well >>> mean having to shut down Google.cn, and potentially our offices in China. >>> >>> 原文: >>> >>> Like many other well-known organizations, we face cyber attacks of >>> varying degrees on a regular basis. *In mid-December, we detected a >>> highly sophisticated and targeted attack on our corporate infrastructure >>> originating from China that resulted in the theft of intellectual >>> property from Google.* However, it soon became clear that what at first >>> appeared to be solely a security incident--albeit a significant one--was >>> something quite different. >>> >>> First, this attack was not just on Google. *As part of our investigation >>> we have discovered that at least twenty other large companies from a >>> wide range of businesses--including the Internet, finance, technology, >>> media and chemical sectors--have been similarly targeted.* We are >>> currently in the process of notifying those companies, and we are also >>> working with the relevant U.S. authorities. >>> >>> Second, we have evidence to suggest that *a primary goal of the >>> attackers was accessing the Gmail accounts of Chinese human rights >>> activists.* Based on our investigation to date we believe their attack >>> did not achieve that objective. Only two Gmail accounts appear to have >>> been accessed, and that activity was limited to account information >>> (such as the date the account was created) and subject line, rather than >>> the content of emails themselves. >>> >>> Third, as part of this investigation but independent of the attack on >>> Google, we have discovered that *the accounts of dozens of U.S.-, China- >>> and Europe-based Gmail users who are advocates of human rights in China >>> appear to have been routinely accessed by third parties. These accounts >>> have not been accessed through any security breach at Google, but most >>> likely via phishing scams or malware placed on the users' computers.* >>> >>> We have already used information gained from this attack to make >>> infrastructure and architectural improvements that enhance security for >>> Google and for our users. In terms of individual users, we would advise >>> people to deploy reputable anti-virus and anti-spyware programs on their >>> computers, to install patches for their operating systems and to update >>> their web browsers. Always be cautious when clicking on links appearing >>> in instant messages and emails, or when asked to share personal >>> information like passwords online. You can read more here about our >>> cyber-security recommendations. People wanting to learn more about these >>> kinds of attacks can read this U.S. government report (PDF), Nart >>> Villeneuve's blog and this presentation on the GhostNet spying incident. >>> >>> We have taken the unusual step of sharing information about these >>> attacks with a broad audience not just because of the security and human >>> rights implications of what we have unearthed, but also because this >>> information goes to the heart of a much bigger global debate about >>> freedom of speech. In the last two decades, China's economic reform >>> programs and its citizens' entrepreneurial flair have lifted hundreds of >>> millions of Chinese people out of poverty. Indeed, this great nation is >>> at the heart of much economic progress and development in the world >>> today. >>> >>> We launched Google.cn in January 2006 in the belief that the benefits of >>> increased access to information for people in China and a more open >>> Internet outweighed our discomfort in agreeing to censor some results. >>> At the time we made clear that "we will carefully monitor conditions in >>> China, including new laws and other restrictions on our services. If we >>> determine that we are unable to achieve the objectives outlined we will >>> not hesitate to reconsider our approach to China." >>> >>> *These attacks and the surveillance they have uncovered--combined with >>> the attempts over the past year to further limit free speech on the >>> web--have led us to conclude that we should review the feasibility of >>> our business operations in China.* We have decided we are no longer >>> willing to continue censoring our results on Google.cn, and so over the >>> next few weeks we will be discussing with the Chinese government the >>> basis on which we could operate an unfiltered search engine within the >>> law, if at all. We recognize that this may well mean having to shut down >>> Google.cn, and potentially our offices in China. >>> >>> The decision to review our business operations in China has been >>> incredibly hard, and we know that it will have potentially far-reaching >>> consequences. We want to make clear that this move was driven by our >>> executives in the United States, without the knowledge or involvement of >>> our employees in China who have worked incredibly hard to make Google.cn >>> the success it is today. We are committed to working responsibly to >>> resolve the very difficult issues raised. >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > -- > Regards > > Monnand > Email: monnand在gmail.com > GTalk: monnand在gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > zeuux-universe mailing list > zeuux-universe在zeuux.org > http://www.zeuux.org/mailman/listinfo/zeuux-universe > > ZEUUX Project - Free Software, Free Society! > http://www.zeuux.org -- Vincent.D
2010年01月13日 星期三 16:24
Vincent D 写道: > 转一条我认为很不错的推: > > 不是谷歌退出了中国,而中国退出了世界。 > 想起前几天的新闻:Google发起建立无国界奖,这个奖项将授予给用勇气、力量和 聪明的手段在互联网推广表达自由、异见和抵抗内容审查的个人或团体。 另外,我的twitter: @monnand > > 2010/1/13 monnand <monnand.deng在gmail.com>: > >> 仲光泽 写道: >> >>> 不翻墙是看不到了。 >>> >>> 另一条消息:有消息人士从谷歌内部了解到,目前谷歌中国员工已经不允许访问 任 何代码,而且可以带薪休假。 >>> >>> >> twitter上正在掀起一片热潮。最新词汇:非法献花 >> >>> monnand 写道: >>> >>>> 原文: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/01/new-approach-to-china.html >>>> >>>> 鉴于是敏感话题,我就不做翻译了。仅仅标注出重点部分。因为本邮件抄送到了不 >>>> 止一个邮件列表。那些回复服务器在国内的邮件列表的朋友们注意用词。我只是想 >>>> 说:倘若我能够为争取多数人自由而尽一份力,我义不容辞。对于低劣,无耻的流 >>>> 氓行径,我深表鄙视。 >>>> >>>> 重点: >>>> In mid-December, we detected a highly sophisticated and targeted attack >>>> on our corporate infrastructure originating from China that resulted in >>>> the theft of intellectual property from Google. >>>> >>>> As part of our investigation we have discovered that at least twenty >>>> other large companies from a wide range of businesses...have been >>>> similarly targeted. >>>> >>>> A primary goal of the attackers was accessing the Gmail accounts of >>>> Chinese human rights activists. >>>> >>>> The accounts of dozens of U.S.-, China- and Europe-based Gmail users who >>>> are advocates of human rights in China appear to have been routinely >>>> accessed by third parties. These accounts have not been accessed through >>>> any security breach at Google, but most likely via phishing scams or >>>> malware placed on the users' computers. >>>> >>>> These attacks and the surveillance they have uncovered--combined with >>>> the attempts over the past year to further limit free speech on the >>>> web--have led us to conclude that we should review the feasibility of >>>> our business operations in China ... We recognize that this may well >>>> mean having to shut down Google.cn, and potentially our offices in China. >>>> >>>> 原文: >>>> >>>> Like many other well-known organizations, we face cyber attacks of >>>> varying degrees on a regular basis. *In mid-December, we detected a >>>> highly sophisticated and targeted attack on our corporate infrastructure >>>> originating from China that resulted in the theft of intellectual >>>> property from Google.* However, it soon became clear that what at first >>>> appeared to be solely a security incident--albeit a significant one--was >>>> something quite different. >>>> >>>> First, this attack was not just on Google. *As part of our investigation >>>> we have discovered that at least twenty other large companies from a >>>> wide range of businesses--including the Internet, finance, technology, >>>> media and chemical sectors--have been similarly targeted.* We are >>>> currently in the process of notifying those companies, and we are also >>>> working with the relevant U.S. authorities. >>>> >>>> Second, we have evidence to suggest that *a primary goal of the >>>> attackers was accessing the Gmail accounts of Chinese human rights >>>> activists.* Based on our investigation to date we believe their attack >>>> did not achieve that objective. Only two Gmail accounts appear to have >>>> been accessed, and that activity was limited to account information >>>> (such as the date the account was created) and subject line, rather than >>>> the content of emails themselves. >>>> >>>> Third, as part of this investigation but independent of the attack on >>>> Google, we have discovered that *the accounts of dozens of U.S.-, China- >>>> and Europe-based Gmail users who are advocates of human rights in China >>>> appear to have been routinely accessed by third parties. These accounts >>>> have not been accessed through any security breach at Google, but most >>>> likely via phishing scams or malware placed on the users' computers.* >>>> >>>> We have already used information gained from this attack to make >>>> infrastructure and architectural improvements that enhance security for >>>> Google and for our users. In terms of individual users, we would advise >>>> people to deploy reputable anti-virus and anti-spyware programs on their >>>> computers, to install patches for their operating systems and to update >>>> their web browsers. Always be cautious when clicking on links appearing >>>> in instant messages and emails, or when asked to share personal >>>> information like passwords online. You can read more here about our >>>> cyber-security recommendations. People wanting to learn more about these >>>> kinds of attacks can read this U.S. government report (PDF), Nart >>>> Villeneuve's blog and this presentation on the GhostNet spying incident. >>>> >>>> We have taken the unusual step of sharing information about these >>>> attacks with a broad audience not just because of the security and human >>>> rights implications of what we have unearthed, but also because this >>>> information goes to the heart of a much bigger global debate about >>>> freedom of speech. In the last two decades, China's economic reform >>>> programs and its citizens' entrepreneurial flair have lifted hundreds of >>>> millions of Chinese people out of poverty. Indeed, this great nation is >>>> at the heart of much economic progress and development in the world >>>> today. >>>> >>>> We launched Google.cn in January 2006 in the belief that the benefits of >>>> increased access to information for people in China and a more open >>>> Internet outweighed our discomfort in agreeing to censor some results. >>>> At the time we made clear that "we will carefully monitor conditions in >>>> China, including new laws and other restrictions on our services. If we >>>> determine that we are unable to achieve the objectives outlined we will >>>> not hesitate to reconsider our approach to China." >>>> >>>> *These attacks and the surveillance they have uncovered--combined with >>>> the attempts over the past year to further limit free speech on the >>>> web--have led us to conclude that we should review the feasibility of >>>> our business operations in China.* We have decided we are no longer >>>> willing to continue censoring our results on Google.cn, and so over the >>>> next few weeks we will be discussing with the Chinese government the >>>> basis on which we could operate an unfiltered search engine within the >>>> law, if at all. We recognize that this may well mean having to shut down >>>> Google.cn, and potentially our offices in China. >>>> >>>> The decision to review our business operations in China has been >>>> incredibly hard, and we know that it will have potentially far-reaching >>>> consequences. We want to make clear that this move was driven by our >>>> executives in the United States, without the knowledge or involvement of >>>> our employees in China who have worked incredibly hard to make Google.cn >>>> the success it is today. We are committed to working responsibly to >>>> resolve the very difficult issues raised. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> -- >> Regards >> >> Monnand >> Email: monnand在gmail.com >> GTalk: monnand在gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> zeuux-universe mailing list >> zeuux-universe在zeuux.org >> http://www.zeuux.org/mailman/listinfo/zeuux-universe >> >> ZEUUX Project - Free Software, Free Society! >> http://www.zeuux.org >> > > > > -- Regards Monnand Email: monnand在gmail.com GTalk: monnand在gmail.com
2010年01月13日 星期三 16:49
On Wed, 2010-01-13 at 03:24 -0500, monnand wrote: > Vincent D 写道: > > 转一条我认为很不错的推: > > > > 不是谷歌退出了中国,而中国退出了世界。 > > > 想起前几天的新闻:Google发起建立无国界奖,这个奖项将授予给用勇气、力量和 > 聪明的手段在互联网推广表达自由、异见和抵抗内容审查的个人或团体。 > > 另外,我的twitter: @monnand生意做小了是买卖,做大了就是政治…… Google 作为一个公司这么做很显然是有目 的的,我们国家正在被这些外来资本全面绑架。 最可怜的就是我们这些人,于外,有人不停地挑起事端,扰乱中国人的价值观,意 欲分解之而后快;于内,我们某些人自己又不争气,将法律和权力,放到了道德和 良知的对立面(不知到传说中的美国中情局21条还是12条是不是真的)。 “中华民族到了最危险的时候”
2010年01月13日 星期三 17:02
扯得太远了把,如果没有google的斗争,现在的搜索引擎不知道是否还能继续存在下去。当然如果您只需要读新华网的新闻除外。 借用小说1984: 党掌握了现在就掌握了过去 自由即奴役 战争即和平 无知即力量 在2010-01-13?16:49:21,"Kermit?Mei"?<kermit.mei在gmail.com>?写道: >On?Wed,?2010-01-13?at?03:24?-0500,?monnand?wrote: >>?Vincent?D?写道: >>?>?转一条我认为很不错的推: >>?> >>?>?不是谷歌退出了中国,而中国退出了世界。 >>?>??? >>?想起前几天的新闻:Google发起建立无国界奖,这个奖项将授予给用勇气、力量和 >>?聪明的手段在互联网推广表达自由、异见和抵抗内容审查的个人或团体。 >>? >>?另外,我的twitter:?@monnand > >> >生意做小了是买卖,做大了就是政治……?Google?作为一个公司这么做很显然是有目 >的的,我们国家正在被这些外来资本全面绑架。 > >最可怜的就是我们这些人,于外,有人不停地挑起事端,扰乱中国人的价值观,意 >欲分解之而后快;于内,我们某些人自己又不争气,将法律和权力,放到了道德和 >良知的对立面(不知到传说中的美国中情局21条还是12条是不是真的)。 > >“中华民族到了最危险的时候” > > > >_______________________________________________ >zeuux-universe?mailing?list >zeuux-universe在zeuux.org >http://www.zeuux.org/mailman/listinfo/zeuux-universe > >ZEUUX?Project?-?Free?Software,?Free?Society! >http://www.zeuux.org -------------- 下一部分 -------------- 一个HTML附件被移除... URL: <http://www.zeuux.org/pipermail/zeuux-universe/attachments/20100113/f40dfa90/attachment.html>
2010年01月13日 星期三 17:07
flyingleon在126.com дµÀ: > > ³¶µÃÌ«Ô¶ÁË°Ñ£¬Èç¹ûûÓÐgoogleµÄ¶·Õù£¬ÏÖÔÚµÄËÑË÷ÒýÇæ²»ÖªµÀÊÇ·ñ»¹ÄܼÌÐø´æ > ÔÚÏÂÈ¥¡£µ±È»Èç¹ûÄúÖ»ÐèÒª¶ÁлªÍøµÄÐÂÎųýÍâ¡£ > ½èÓÃС˵1984£º > µ³ÕÆÎÕÁËÏÖÔÚ¾ÍÕÆÎÕÁ˹ýÈ¥ > ×ÔÓɼ´Å«ÒÛ > Õ½Õù¼´ºÍƽ > ÎÞÖª¼´Á¦Á¿ > ½ñÍíÌ«¼¤¶¯ÁË¡£google±¬·¢¾Í°ÕÁË¡£°Ù¶È£¬ËÑËѼ¯Ì屬·¢¡£ ÔÀ´´ó»ï¶¼ÓÃgoogleµÄ·þÎñ > ÔÚ2010-01-13 16:49:21£¬"Kermit Mei" <kermit.mei在gmail.com> дµÀ£º > >On Wed, 2010-01-13 at 03:24 -0500, monnand wrote: > >> Vincent D дµÀ: > >> > תһÌõÎÒÈÏΪºÜ²»´íµÄÍÆ£º > >> > > >> > ²»ÊǹȸèÍ˳öÁËÖйú£¬¶øÖйúÍ˳öÁËÊÀ½ç¡£ > >> > > >> ÏëÆðÇ°¼¸ÌìµÄÐÂÎÅ£ºGoogle·¢Æð½¨Á¢ÎÞ¹ú½ç½±£¬Õâ¸ö½±ÏÊÚÓè¸øÓÃÓÂÆø¡¢Á¦Á¿ºÍ > >> ´ÏÃ÷µÄÊÖ¶ÎÔÚ»¥ÁªÍøÍƹã±í´ï×ÔÓÉ¡¢Òì¼ûºÍµÖ¿¹ÄÚÈÝÉó²éµÄ¸öÈË»òÍÅÌå¡£ > >> > >> ÁíÍ⣬ÎÒµÄtwitter£º @monnand > > > >> > > >ÉúÒâ×öСÁËÊÇÂòÂô£¬×ö´óÁ˾ÍÊÇÕþÖΡ¡ Google ×÷Ϊһ¸ö¹«Ë¾Õâô×öºÜÏÔÈ»ÊÇÓÐÄ¿ > >µÄµÄ£¬ÎÒÃǹú¼ÒÕýÔÚ±»ÕâЩÍâÀ´×ʱ¾È«Ãæ°ó¼Ü¡£ > > > >×î¿ÉÁ¯µÄ¾ÍÊÇÎÒÃÇÕâЩÈË£¬ÓÚÍ⣬ÓÐÈ˲»Í£µØÌôÆðʶˣ¬ÈÅÂÒÖйúÈ˵ļÛÖµ¹Û£¬Òâ > >Óû·Ö½âÖ®¶øºó¿ì£»ÓÚÄÚ£¬ÎÒÃÇijЩÈË×Ô¼ºÓÖ²»ÕùÆø£¬½«·¨ÂɺÍȨÁ¦£¬·Åµ½Á˵ÀµÂºÍ > >Á¼ÖªµÄ¶ÔÁ¢Ã棨²»Öªµ½´«ËµÖеÄÃÀ¹úÖÐÇé¾Ö21Ìõ»¹ÊÇ12ÌõÊDz»ÊÇÕæµÄ£©¡£ > > > >¡°ÖлªÃñ×åµ½ÁË×îΣÏÕµÄʱºò¡± > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >zeuux-universe mailing list > >zeuux-universe在zeuux.org > >http://www.zeuux.org/mailman/listinfo/zeuux-universe > > > >ZEUUX Project - Free Software, Free Society! > >http://www.zeuux.org > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > zeuux-universe mailing list > zeuux-universe在zeuux.org > http://www.zeuux.org/mailman/listinfo/zeuux-universe > > ZEUUX Project - Free Software, Free Society! > http://www.zeuux.org -- Regards Monnand Email: monnand在gmail.com GTalk: monnand在gmail.com
2010年01月13日 星期三 17:10
flyingleon在126.com дµÀ: > > ³¶µÃÌ«Ô¶ÁË°Ñ£¬Èç¹ûûÓÐgoogleµÄ¶·Õù£¬ÏÖÔÚµÄËÑË÷ÒýÇæ²»ÖªµÀÊÇ·ñ»¹ÄܼÌÐø´æ > ÔÚÏÂÈ¥¡£µ±È»Èç¹ûÄúÖ»ÐèÒª¶ÁлªÍøµÄÐÂÎųýÍâ¡£ > ½èÓÃС˵1984£º > µ³ÕÆÎÕÁËÏÖÔÚ¾ÍÕÆÎÕÁ˹ýÈ¥ > ×ÔÓɼ´Å«ÒÛ > Õ½Õù¼´ºÍƽ > ÎÞÖª¼´Á¦Á¿ [ÒѾ֤ʵÁË]ËÑËÑ¡¢°Ù¶È¶¼ÔÚµÁÓà google.cnµÄËÑË÷ÒýÇæ¡£[ÒѾ֤ʵÁË] ¹È¸ècn ½ñÌìÈ¡ÏûÁ˹ؼü×Öɸ²é£¬Í¬Ê±ËÑËÑÓë°Ù¶ÈµÄ¹Ø¼ü×Öɸ²éҲʧЧÁË¡£ > > ÔÚ2010-01-13 16:49:21£¬"Kermit Mei" <kermit.mei在gmail.com> дµÀ£º > >On Wed, 2010-01-13 at 03:24 -0500, monnand wrote: > >> Vincent D дµÀ: > >> > תһÌõÎÒÈÏΪºÜ²»´íµÄÍÆ£º > >> > > >> > ²»ÊǹȸèÍ˳öÁËÖйú£¬¶øÖйúÍ˳öÁËÊÀ½ç¡£ > >> > > >> ÏëÆðÇ°¼¸ÌìµÄÐÂÎÅ£ºGoogle·¢Æð½¨Á¢ÎÞ¹ú½ç½±£¬Õâ¸ö½±ÏÊÚÓè¸øÓÃÓÂÆø¡¢Á¦Á¿ºÍ > >> ´ÏÃ÷µÄÊÖ¶ÎÔÚ»¥ÁªÍøÍƹã±í´ï×ÔÓÉ¡¢Òì¼ûºÍµÖ¿¹ÄÚÈÝÉó²éµÄ¸öÈË»òÍÅÌå¡£ > >> > >> ÁíÍ⣬ÎÒµÄtwitter£º @monnand > > > >> > > >ÉúÒâ×öСÁËÊÇÂòÂô£¬×ö´óÁ˾ÍÊÇÕþÖΡ¡ Google ×÷Ϊһ¸ö¹«Ë¾Õâô×öºÜÏÔÈ»ÊÇÓÐÄ¿ > >µÄµÄ£¬ÎÒÃǹú¼ÒÕýÔÚ±»ÕâЩÍâÀ´×ʱ¾È«Ãæ°ó¼Ü¡£ > > > >×î¿ÉÁ¯µÄ¾ÍÊÇÎÒÃÇÕâЩÈË£¬ÓÚÍ⣬ÓÐÈ˲»Í£µØÌôÆðʶˣ¬ÈÅÂÒÖйúÈ˵ļÛÖµ¹Û£¬Òâ > >Óû·Ö½âÖ®¶øºó¿ì£»ÓÚÄÚ£¬ÎÒÃÇijЩÈË×Ô¼ºÓÖ²»ÕùÆø£¬½«·¨ÂɺÍȨÁ¦£¬·Åµ½Á˵ÀµÂºÍ > >Á¼ÖªµÄ¶ÔÁ¢Ã棨²»Öªµ½´«ËµÖеÄÃÀ¹úÖÐÇé¾Ö21Ìõ»¹ÊÇ12ÌõÊDz»ÊÇÕæµÄ£©¡£ > > > >¡°ÖлªÃñ×åµ½ÁË×îΣÏÕµÄʱºò¡± > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >zeuux-universe mailing list > >zeuux-universe在zeuux.org > >http://www.zeuux.org/mailman/listinfo/zeuux-universe > > > >ZEUUX Project - Free Software, Free Society! > >http://www.zeuux.org > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > zeuux-universe mailing list > zeuux-universe在zeuux.org > http://www.zeuux.org/mailman/listinfo/zeuux-universe > > ZEUUX Project - Free Software, Free Society! > http://www.zeuux.org -- Regards Monnand Email: monnand在gmail.com GTalk: monnand在gmail.com
2010年01月13日 星期三 18:31
> [已经证实了]搜搜、百度都在盗用 google.cn的搜索引擎。[已经证实了] 谷歌 > cn 今天取消了关键字筛查,同时搜搜与百度的关键字筛查也失效了。 如果证实,真是宇宙级的玩笑啊。。。。。 >> >> 在2010-01-13 16:49:21,"Kermit Mei" <kermit.mei在gmail.com> 写道: >> >On Wed, 2010-01-13 at 03:24 -0500, monnand wrote: >> >> Vincent D 写道: >> >> > 转一条我认为很不错的推: >> >> > >> >> > 不是谷歌退出了中国,而中国退出了世界。 >> >> > >> 想起前几天的新闻:Google发起建立无国界奖,这个奖项将授予给 >> 用勇气、力量和 >> >> 聪明的手段在互联网推广表达自由、异见和抵抗内容审查的个人或团体。 >> >> >> 另外,我的twitter: @monnand >> > >> >>> > >> >生意做小了是买卖,做大了就是政治…… Google 作为一个公司这么做很显然是 >> 有目 >> >的的,我们国家正在被这些外来资本全面绑架。 >> > >> >最可怜的就是我们这些人,于外,有人不停地挑起事端,扰乱中国人的价值 >> 观,意 >> >欲分解之而后快;于内,我们某些人自己又不争气,将法律和权力,放到了道 >> 德和 >> >良知的对立面(不知到传说中的美国中情局21条还是12条是不是真的)。 >> > >> >“中华民族到了最危险的时候” >> > >> > >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >zeuux-universe mailing list >> >zeuux-universe在zeuux.org >> >http://www.zeuux.org/mailman/listinfo/zeuux-universe >> > >> >ZEUUX Project - Free Software, Free Society! >> >http://www.zeuux.org >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> zeuux-universe mailing list >> zeuux-universe在zeuux.org >> http://www.zeuux.org/mailman/listinfo/zeuux-universe >> >> ZEUUX Project - Free Software, Free Society! >> http://www.zeuux.org > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > zeuux-universe mailing list > zeuux-universe在zeuux.org > http://www.zeuux.org/mailman/listinfo/zeuux-universe > > ZEUUX Project - Free Software, Free Society! > http://www.zeuux.org -------------- 下一部分 -------------- 一个HTML附件被移除... URL: <http://www.zeuux.org/pipermail/zeuux-universe/attachments/20100113/7171a3c7/attachment-0001.html>
2010年01月13日 星期三 18:32
soso 本来用的就是 Google 的引擎,人家已经说明过了 2010/1/13 Bill Xu <bill在zeuux.org>: > > [已经证实了]搜搜、 百度都在盗用 google.cn的搜索引擎。[已经证实了] 谷歌cn 今天取消了关键字筛查,同时搜搜与百度的关键字筛查也失效了。 > > 如果证实,真是宇宙级的玩笑啊。。。。。 > > > 在2010-01-13 16:49:21,"Kermit Mei" <kermit.mei在gmail.com> 写道: >>On Wed, 2010-01-13 at 03:24 -0500, monnand wrote: >>> Vincent D 写道: >>> > 转一条我认为很不错的推: >>> > >>> > 不是谷歌退出了中国,而中国退出了世界。 >>> > >> 想起前几天的新闻:Google发起建立无国界奖,这个奖项将授予给用勇气、力量和 >>> 聪明的手段在互联网推广表达自由、异见和抵抗内容审查的个人或团体。 >>> >> 另外,我的twitter: @monnand >> >>>> >>生意做小了是买卖,做大了就是政治…… Google 作为一个公司这么做很显然是有目 >>的的,我们国家正在被这些外来资本全面绑架。 >> >>最可怜的就是我们这些人,于外,有人不停地挑起事端,扰乱中国人的价值观,意 >>欲分解之而后快;于内,我们某些人自己又不争气,将法律和权力,放到了道德和 >>良知的对立面(不知到传说中的美国中情局21条还是12条是不是真的)。 >> >>“中华民族到了最危险的时候” >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>zeuux-universe mailing list >>zeuux-universe在zeuux.org >>http://www.zeuux.org/mailman/listinfo/zeuux-universe >> >>ZEUUX Project - Free Software, Free Society! >>http://www.zeuux.org > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > zeuux-universe mailing list > zeuux-universe在zeuux.org > http://www.zeuux.org/mailman/listinfo/zeuux-universe > > ZEUUX Project - Free Software, Free Society! > http://www.zeuux.org > > > ________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > zeuux-universe mailing list > zeuux-universe在zeuux.org > http://www.zeuux.org/mailman/listinfo/zeuux-universe > > ZEUUX Project - Free Software, Free Society! > http://www.zeuux.org > > _______________________________________________ > zeuux-universe mailing list > zeuux-universe在zeuux.org > http://www.zeuux.org/mailman/listinfo/zeuux-universe > > ZEUUX Project - Free Software, Free Society! > http://www.zeuux.org >
2010年01月13日 星期三 18:38
Botu Sun 写道: > soso 本来用的就是 Google 的引擎,人家已经说明过了 > 说的是百度。SOSO目前在搜索引擎领域还差一些吧。 > 2010/1/13 Bill Xu <bill在zeuux.org>: > >> [已经证实了]搜搜、 百度都在盗用 google.cn的搜索引擎。[已经证实了] 谷歌cn 今天取消了关键字筛查,同时搜搜与百度的关键字筛查也失效了。 >> >> 如果证实,真是宇宙级的玩笑啊。。。。。 >> >> >> 在2010-01-13 16:49:21,"Kermit Mei" <kermit.mei在gmail.com> 写道: >> >>> On Wed, 2010-01-13 at 03:24 -0500, monnand wrote: >>> >>>> Vincent D 写道: >>>> >>>>> 转一条我认为很不错的推: >>>>> >>>>> 不是谷歌退出了中国,而中国退出了世界。 >>>>> >> 想起前几天的新闻:Google发起建立无国界奖,这个奖项将授予给用勇气、力量和 >>>>> >>>> 聪明的手段在互联网推广表达自由、异见和抵抗内容审查的个人或团体。 >>>> >>>>>> 另外,我的twitter: @monnand >>>>>> >>>>>> >>> 生意做小了是买卖,做大了就是政治…… Google 作为一个公司这么做很显然是有目 >>> 的的,我们国家正在被这些外来资本全面绑架。 >>> >>> 最可怜的就是我们这些人,于外,有人不停地挑起事端,扰乱中国人的价值观,意 >>> 欲分解之而后快;于内,我们某些人自己又不争气,将法律和权力,放到了道德和 >>> 良知的对立面(不知到传说中的美国中情局21条还是12条是不是真的)。 >>> >>> “中华民族到了最危险的时候” >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> zeuux-universe mailing list >>> zeuux-universe在zeuux.org >>> http://www.zeuux.org/mailman/listinfo/zeuux-universe >>> >>> ZEUUX Project - Free Software, Free Society! >>> http://www.zeuux.org >>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> zeuux-universe mailing list >> zeuux-universe在zeuux.org >> http://www.zeuux.org/mailman/listinfo/zeuux-universe >> >> ZEUUX Project - Free Software, Free Society! >> http://www.zeuux.org >> >> >> ________________________________ >> _______________________________________________ >> zeuux-universe mailing list >> zeuux-universe在zeuux.org >> http://www.zeuux.org/mailman/listinfo/zeuux-universe >> >> ZEUUX Project - Free Software, Free Society! >> http://www.zeuux.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> zeuux-universe mailing list >> zeuux-universe在zeuux.org >> http://www.zeuux.org/mailman/listinfo/zeuux-universe >> >> ZEUUX Project - Free Software, Free Society! >> http://www.zeuux.org >> >>
2010年01月13日 星期三 18:42
Botu Sun 写道: > soso 本来用的就是 Google 的引擎,人家已经说明过了 > 同时请看下面新闻,09年9月的,合作已经结束了。你根据什么说“soso 本来用的 就是 Google 的引擎,人家已经说明过了 ” 腾讯SOSO宣布正式采用独立搜索技术 http://tech.163.com/09/0903/14/5I9V9VAA000915BF.html > 2010/1/13 Bill Xu <bill在zeuux.org>: > >> [已经证实了]搜搜、 百度都在盗用 google.cn的搜索引擎。[已经证实了] 谷歌cn 今天取消了关键字筛查,同时搜搜与百度的关键字筛查也失效了。 >> >> 如果证实,真是宇宙级的玩笑啊。。。。。 >> >> >> 在2010-01-13 16:49:21,"Kermit Mei" <kermit.mei在gmail.com> 写道: >> >>> On Wed, 2010-01-13 at 03:24 -0500, monnand wrote: >>> >>>> Vincent D 写道: >>>> >>>>> 转一条我认为很不错的推: >>>>> >>>>> 不是谷歌退出了中国,而中国退出了世界。 >>>>> >> 想起前几天的新闻:Google发起建立无国界奖,这个奖项将授予给用勇气、力量和 >>>>> >>>> 聪明的手段在互联网推广表达自由、异见和抵抗内容审查的个人或团体。 >>>> >>>>>> 另外,我的twitter: @monnand >>>>>> >>>>>> >>> 生意做小了是买卖,做大了就是政治…… Google 作为一个公司这么做很显然是有目 >>> 的的,我们国家正在被这些外来资本全面绑架。 >>> >>> 最可怜的就是我们这些人,于外,有人不停地挑起事端,扰乱中国人的价值观,意 >>> 欲分解之而后快;于内,我们某些人自己又不争气,将法律和权力,放到了道德和 >>> 良知的对立面(不知到传说中的美国中情局21条还是12条是不是真的)。 >>> >>> “中华民族到了最危险的时候” >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> zeuux-universe mailing list >>> zeuux-universe在zeuux.org >>> http://www.zeuux.org/mailman/listinfo/zeuux-universe >>> >>> ZEUUX Project - Free Software, Free Society! >>> http://www.zeuux.org >>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> zeuux-universe mailing list >> zeuux-universe在zeuux.org >> http://www.zeuux.org/mailman/listinfo/zeuux-universe >> >> ZEUUX Project - Free Software, Free Society! >> http://www.zeuux.org >> >> >> ________________________________ >> _______________________________________________ >> zeuux-universe mailing list >> zeuux-universe在zeuux.org >> http://www.zeuux.org/mailman/listinfo/zeuux-universe >> >> ZEUUX Project - Free Software, Free Society! >> http://www.zeuux.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> zeuux-universe mailing list >> zeuux-universe在zeuux.org >> http://www.zeuux.org/mailman/listinfo/zeuux-universe >> >> ZEUUX Project - Free Software, Free Society! >> http://www.zeuux.org >> >>
2010年01月13日 星期三 18:57
>> > 生意做小了是买卖,做大了就是政治…… Google 作为一个公司这么做很显然是有目 > 的的, 对也不对。 当搜索引擎成为人们获得信息的主要手段的时候,如果搜索引擎公司没有道德底 线、放弃有助于社会的价值观,那么搜索结果将被各种临时管理条例、金钱收买/ 左右。这显然是不合理的。 > 我们国家正在被这些外来资本全面绑架。 有何根据?我们为什么不能绑架他们? > 最可怜的就是我们这些人,于外,有人不停地挑起事端,扰乱中国人的价值观 我们的价值观是什么? > ,意 > 欲分解之而后快;于内,我们某些人自己又不争气,将法律和权力,放到了道德和 > 良知的对立面(不知到传说中的美国中情局21条还是12条是不是真的)。 > > “中华民族到了最危险的时候” > > > > _______________________________________________ > zeuux-universe mailing list > zeuux-universe在zeuux.org > http://www.zeuux.org/mailman/listinfo/zeuux-universe > > ZEUUX Project - Free Software, Free Society! > http://www.zeuux.org
2010年01月13日 星期三 19:11
On Wed, 2010-01-13 at 16:22 +0800, Vincent D wrote: > 转一条我认为很不错的推: > > 不是谷歌退出了中国,而中国退出了世界。 google为什么不能过滤"色情"与“FG”的内容呢?技术上是可行的,当然成本也不小 呀。 一个商业公司的目的就是盈利,他认为在中国的成本太大而“不玩了”也没什么大不 了的。至少百度还是坚持着呢,百度的成本也与其是同样的。百度与google的不同 就是,百度很低调、Google很高调。说Google高调,可以从其无视版权而随意搜索 图书内容的态度上了解。图书和网页的版权概念是不同的,因为图书是靠销售量而 获利的,网页纯粹就是眼球经济或是自我标榜。 我必须声明,我是非常喜欢Google的,我现在使用的独立域名邮箱就是Google的 App提供的。一个跨国企业遵守业务国家的法律是其应尽的义务--不能有特 权--Google并不能例外。Google并不是因为其反对中国法律而退出,而是因为他自 认为成本太大--这是商业决策而不是政治冲突。 别有用心者,总会把这些事情与政治扯上,请大家仔细思考与鉴别:动自己的脑 子,而不被人忽悠。 > > > 2010/1/13 monnand <monnand.deng在gmail.com>: > > 仲光泽 写道: > >> > >> 不翻墙是看不到了。 > >> > >> 另一条消息:有消息人士从谷歌内部了解到,目前谷歌中国员工已经不允许访问 任 何代码,而且可以带薪休假。 > >> > > twitter上正在掀起一片热潮。最新词汇:非法献花 > >> > >> > >> monnand 写道: > >>> > >>> 原文: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/01/new-approach-to-china.html > >>> > >>> 鉴于是敏感话题,我就不做翻译了。仅仅标注出重点部分。因为本邮件抄送到了不
2010年01月13日 星期三 19:14
On Wed, 2010-01-13 at 16:22 +0800, Vincent D wrote: > 转一条我认为很不错的推: > > 不是谷歌退出了中国,而中国退出了世界。 google为什么不能过滤"色情"与“FG”的内容呢?技术上是可行的,当然成本也不小 呀。 一个商业公司的目的就是盈利,他认为在中国的成本太大而“不玩了”也没什么大不 了的。至少百度还是坚持着呢,百度的成本也与其是同样的。百度与google的不同 就是,百度很低调、Google很高调。说Google高调,可以从其无视版权而随意搜索 图书内容的态度上了解。图书和网页的版权概念是不同的,因为图书是靠销售量而 获利的,网页纯粹就是眼球经济或是自我标榜。 我必须声明,我是非常喜欢Google的,我现在使用的独立域名邮箱就是Google的 App提供的。一个跨国企业遵守业务国家的法律是其应尽的义务--不能有特 权--Google并不能例外。Google并不是因为其反对中国法律而退出,而是因为他自 认为成本太大--这是商业决策而不是政治冲突。 别有用心者,总会把这些事情与政治扯上,请大家仔细思考与鉴别:动自己的脑 子,而不被人忽悠。 > > > 2010/1/13 monnand <monnand.deng在gmail.com>: > > 仲光泽 写道: > >> > >> 不翻墙是看不到了。 > >> > >> 另一条消息:有消息人士从谷歌内部了解到,目前谷歌中国员工已经不允许访问 任 何代码,而且可以带薪休假。 > >> > > twitter上正在掀起一片热潮。最新词汇:非法献花 > >> > >> > >> monnand 写道: > >>> > >>> 原文: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/01/new-approach-to-china.html > >>> > >>> 鉴于是敏感话题,我就不做翻译了。仅仅标注出重点部分。因为本邮件抄送到了不
2010年01月13日 星期三 20:40
2010/1/13 Vietor Liu <ml-wine在vxwo.org>: > On Wed, 2010-01-13 at 16:22 +0800, Vincent D wrote: >> 转一条我认为很不错的推: >> >> 不是谷歌退出了中国,而中国退出了世界。 > > google为什么不能过滤"色情"与“FG”的内容呢?技术上是可行的,当然成本也不小 > 呀。 首先,Google是可以过滤色情内容的,搜索者可以自主开关。Google不支持的是 来自政府的审查。 > 一个商业公司的目的就是盈利,他认为在中国的成本太大而“不玩了”也没什么大不 > 了的。至少百度还是坚持着呢,百度的成本也与其是同样的。百度与google的不同 > 就是,百度很低调、Google很高调。说Google高调,可以从其无视版权而随意搜索 > 图书内容的态度上了解。图书和网页的版权概念是不同的,因为图书是靠销售量而 > 获利的,网页纯粹就是眼球经济或是自我标榜。 这不是成本的问题,而是道德的问题,而是恶意攻击的问题。CCTV上的色情问题 一事,Google是被恶意攻击的,明眼人都看到了CCTV是如何作假的。 “无视版权”则是你在瞎扯淡,跟着作家协会那帮人胡扯。中国比美国还重视版 权吗?在美国,Google都已经和大部分作家达成和解了,因为大家认识到Google 的做法只对社会和作家有好处。 > 我必须声明,我是非常喜欢Google的,我现在使用的独立域名邮箱就是Google的 > App提供的。一个跨国企业遵守业务国家的法律是其应尽的义务--不能有特 > 权--Google并不能例外。Google并不是因为其反对中国法律而退出,而是因为他自 > 认为成本太大--这是商业决策而不是政治冲突。 封锁互联网根据的是那条法律?走的是什么流程?如果发现其中有错误,如何申 诉? > 别有用心者,总会把这些事情与政治扯上,请大家仔细思考与鉴别:动自己的脑 > 子,而不被人忽悠。 老是有别有用心者,出来发表谬论,混淆视听。 -- Wu Yongwei URL: http://wyw.dcweb.cn/
2010年01月13日 星期三 21:21
2010/1/13 Vietor Liu <ml-wine在vxwo.org>: > On Wed, 2010-01-13 at 16:22 +0800, Vincent D wrote: >> 转一条我认为很不错的推: >> >> 不是谷歌退出了中国,而中国退出了世界。 > > google为什么不能过滤"色情"与“FG”的内容呢?技术上是可行的,当然成本也不小 > 呀。 > > 一个商业公司的目的就是盈利,他认为在中国的成本太大而“不玩了”也没什么大不 > 了的。至少百度还是坚持着呢,百度的成本也与其是同样的。百度与google的不同 > 就是,百度很低调、Google很高调。说Google高调,可以从其无视版权而随意搜索 > 图书内容的态度上了解。图书和网页的版权概念是不同的,因为图书是靠销售量而 > 获利的,网页纯粹就是眼球经济或是自我标榜。 google官方,包括已经离开的李开复,都已经明确声明,google的行为与商业无关,完全是价值观的问题。也许,在有些人看来金钱决定一切,但是我要说的是,这个世界上有比金钱更为重要的东西,也是底线,那就是道德,良知,和普世价值。 百度很低调?搞笑吧,李总都上春晚了。相反,我感觉却是Google一直在踏踏实实做自己的事情。 > > 我必须声明,我是非常喜欢Google的,我现在使用的独立域名邮箱就是Google的 > App提供的。一个跨国企业遵守业务国家的法律是其应尽的义务--不能有特 > 权--Google并不能例外。Google并不是因为其反对中国法律而退出,而是因为他自 > 认为成本太大--这是商业决策而不是政治冲突。 > > 别有用心者,总会把这些事情与政治扯上,请大家仔细思考与鉴别:动自己的脑 > 子,而不被人忽悠。 人家当事人google都明确说了,就是审查的问题,没有什么别的“别有用心者”,也没有人“扯” > > > >> >> >> 2010/1/13 monnand <monnand.deng在gmail.com>: >> > 仲光泽 写道: >> >> >> >> 不翻墙是看不到了。 >> >> >> >> 另一条消息:有消息人士从谷歌内部了解到,目前谷歌中国员工已经不允许访问 任 何代码,而且可以带薪休假。 >> >> >> > twitter上正在掀起一片热潮。最新词汇:非法献花 >> >> >> >> >> >> monnand 写道: >> >>> >> >>> 原文: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/01/new-approach-to-china.html >> >>> >> >>> 鉴于是敏感话题,我就不做翻译了。仅仅标注出重点部分。因为本邮件抄送到了不 > > > -- Vincent.D
2010年01月13日 星期三 23:08
清不要一个邮件重复发送,谢谢! Vietor Liu 写道: > On Wed, 2010-01-13 at 16:22 +0800, Vincent D wrote: > >> 转一条我认为很不错的推: >> >> 不是谷歌退出了中国,而中国退出了世界。 >> > > google为什么不能过滤"色情"与“FG”的内容呢?技术上是可行的,当然成本也不小 > 呀。 > > 一个商业公司的目的就是盈利,他认为在中国的成本太大而“不玩了”也没什么大不 > 了的。至少百度还是坚持着呢,百度的成本也与其是同样的。百度与google的不同 > 就是,百度很低调、Google很高调。说Google高调,可以从其无视版权而随意搜索 > 图书内容的态度上了解。图书和网页的版权概念是不同的,因为图书是靠销售量而 > 获利的,网页纯粹就是眼球经济或是自我标榜。 > > 我必须声明,我是非常喜欢Google的,我现在使用的独立域名邮箱就是Google的 > App提供的。一个跨国企业遵守业务国家的法律是其应尽的义务--不能有特 > 权--Google并不能例外。Google并不是因为其反对中国法律而退出,而是因为他自 > 认为成本太大--这是商业决策而不是政治冲突。 > > 别有用心者,总会把这些事情与政治扯上,请大家仔细思考与鉴别:动自己的脑 > 子,而不被人忽悠。 > > > > >> 2010/1/13 monnand <monnand.deng在gmail.com>: >> >>> 仲光泽 写道: >>> >>>> 不翻墙是看不到了。 >>>> >>>> 另一条消息:有消息人士从谷歌内部了解到,目前谷歌中国员工已经不允许访问 任 何代码,而且可以带薪休假。 >>>> >>>> >>> twitter上正在掀起一片热潮。最新词汇:非法献花 >>> >>>> monnand 写道: >>>> >>>>> 原文: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/01/new-approach-to-china.html >>>>> >>>>> 鉴于是敏感话题,我就不做翻译了。仅仅标注出重点部分。因为本邮件抄送到了不 >>>>> > > > > > > -- Regards Monnand Email: monnand在gmail.com GTalk: monnand在gmail.com
2010年01月13日 星期三 23:15
Yongwei Wu 写道: > 2010/1/13 Vietor Liu <ml-wine在vxwo.org>: > >> On Wed, 2010-01-13 at 16:22 +0800, Vincent D wrote: >> >>> 转一条我认为很不错的推: >>> >>> 不是谷歌退出了中国,而中国退出了世界。 >>> >> google为什么不能过滤"色情"与“FG”的内容呢?技术上是可行的,当然成本也不小 >> 呀。 >> > > 首先,Google是可以过滤色情内容的,搜索者可以自主开关。Google不支持的是 > 来自政府的审查。 > Yongwei,你是战士。我已然放弃对类似回复的辩解了。 > >> 一个商业公司的目的就是盈利,他认为在中国的成本太大而“不玩了”也没什么大不 >> 了的。至少百度还是坚持着呢,百度的成本也与其是同样的。百度与google的不同 >> 就是,百度很低调、Google很高调。说Google高调,可以从其无视版权而随意搜索 >> 图书内容的态度上了解。图书和网页的版权概念是不同的,因为图书是靠销售量而 >> 获利的,网页纯粹就是眼球经济或是自我标榜。 >> > > 这不是成本的问题,而是道德的问题,而是恶意攻击的问题。CCTV上的色情问题 > 一事,Google是被恶意攻击的,明眼人都看到了CCTV是如何作假的。 > 加个旧闻链接: http://www.kenengba.com/post/1232.html > “无视版权”则是你在瞎扯淡,跟着作家协会那帮人胡扯。中国比美国还重视版 > 权吗?在美国,Google都已经和大部分作家达成和解了,因为大家认识到Google > 的做法只对社会和作家有好处。 > 也加个链接: http://my.hoopchina.com/441535/blog/191783.html > >> 我必须声明,我是非常喜欢Google的,我现在使用的独立域名邮箱就是Google的 >> App提供的。一个跨国企业遵守业务国家的法律是其应尽的义务--不能有特 >> 权--Google并不能例外。Google并不是因为其反对中国法律而退出,而是因为他自 >> 认为成本太大--这是商业决策而不是政治冲突。 >> > > 封锁互联网根据的是那条法律?走的是什么流程?如果发现其中有错误,如何申 > 诉? > 嘿嘿~也许我们头脑中的法律和某些人头脑中的法律那不是一个概念。 > >> 别有用心者,总会把这些事情与政治扯上,请大家仔细思考与鉴别:动自己的脑 >> 子,而不被人忽悠。 >> > > 老是有别有用心者,出来发表谬论,混淆视听。 > > 建议推荐为五毛。这么好的苗子,不做五毛可惜了。 好吧……我又食言回复这邮件了。罪过罪过 -- Regards Monnand Email: monnand在gmail.com GTalk: monnand在gmail.com
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