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星期日五月 25 21:21:06 CST 2008

2008/5/25 easthero <easthero在gmail.com>:
> puzhengcai 写道:
> 昨天赶了几个小时的车程转了两次地铁问了N次路，终于找到了复旦大学新闻学院。现在详细汇报一下哲思自由软件峰会的感受。图片由于没有数码相机，是陌生朋友帮我照了几张，等他传过来我再奉上
> Razz
>
感谢大家的体验报道!
哲思组织峰会,最重要的原因就是给广大自由软件爱好者一个名正言顺的游玩机会! ;)

> 我特地买了自由软件T恤去参加会议，十二点多到的，当时会场人不是太多，等了约半个小时哲思自由软件社区创办人徐继哲来了，也许我是为数不多的穿他们自由软件T恤来的，他看到我就更我打了招呼，我和他握了手，呵呵，终于见到只有在网上见到的自由软件先锋了。我说过会儿能不能和Richard
> Stallman拍个照，他说当然可以。（很高兴，最后我和他也照了两张，过后奉上）哈哈，今天T恤没白穿啊！
>
> 过了一会儿Richard Stallman来了！全场响起热烈的掌声，他和他女友，以及那个日本的Akira
> Urushibata刚从宾馆赶来，一来到会场以为Richard
> Stallman会寒暄几句，结果没有，他先是坐下来，打开他的一个包拿出OLPC，很酷（会议结束时大家都上前与他亲密接触，我看看了OLPC用的系统，结果屏幕是像GNU/Linux刚启动时的画面，没有看到菜单之类的图形界面，我想还是算了我反正看不懂，估计他在编程吧）然后Richard
> Stallman脱下鞋，脱掉袜子，赤着脚在会场那么多人面前一口喝着荼饮料一手用着OLPC，不停的在敲键盘！他什么话也没有，只在弄他的东西！！！很聚精会神！再说说他演讲的时候吧，在中间他突然停了下来，以为是拿什么东西有用，结果他翻开包拿出一包大概是巧克力，哈哈全场的听众都笑了，然后他一边听一边讲他的自由软件！
> 完了后，他让自由提问！
>
> 我争取到了一个提问机会，我想提问什么自由软件之类的是白痴问题，不如来点有气氛的问题。因为我英语很不咱的，又有翻译（听会的有许多一流的专家哈哈），我提问到：
> Richard Stallman先生你女朋友是不是看到你贴在网上的征求女友的帖子后认识你的？我说就这一个问题，他回答到："Yes,she
> knows free software."大家都鼓掌欢笑，哈哈，我激动死了，我然后说到：谢谢Richard
> Stallman先生创造了自由软件，以及所有为自由软件做出贡献的人。由于当时太激动，也是没注意翻译有没有把这话翻译给Richard
> Stallman，哈哈，不过这不重要了。
>
> 大家看完，也许觉得没有图片很遗憾，我过会会尽量补上。
>
> 2008/5/25 easthero <easthero在gmail.com>:
>> 发信人: BetterLife (这个ID不太冷), 信区: Unix
>> 标  题: Re: 有点同情Intel的那哥们
>> 发信站: 日月光华 (2008年05月25日19:45:49 星期天)
>>
>> 我感到很好笑的场面有：
>>
>> 当提意见的人对Intel的那哥们大声疾呼：本次峰会的主题是Free software，不是Open S
>> ource 的时候，一直埋头写程序的教主突然站立起来象孩子一样鼓掌欢呼。可惜没来得及
>> 拍摄下来，期待DV。
>>
>> 最后教主当面教训Intel的那哥们不该用Windows，搞的演讲者很无奈。
>>
>>
>> On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 9:11 PM, easthero <easthero在gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 发信人: FreePeter (太阳照常升起), 信区: Unix
>>> 标  题: RMS演讲的0~20分钟
>>> 发信站: 日月光华 (2008年05月25日14:42:31 星期天)
>>>
>>> 整理 by FreePeter
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello & Happy Hacking (Laugh, Applause)
>>>
>>> Society usually teaches people to judge software packages by practical concern
>>> s only
>>> is this program convenient,
>>> is this program reliable,
>>> is it cheap,
>>> and to ignore the most important questions:
>>> if I use this program,
>>> what does it do to my freedom?
>>> if I use this program,
>>> what does it do to the social solidarity of my community?
>>>
>>> So people ignore the most important things
>>> Those questions, are what free software is about,
>>> free software, means software that respects users' freedom
>>> it's a matter of freedom, not practice
>>> when you tranlate it to chinese, you should say "自由", but not "免费"
>>> (laugh & applause)
>>>
>>>
>>> software which is not free software, is user-subjugating software, proprietary
>>>  software,
>>> it keeps user divided and helpless
>>> divided, because everyone is forbidden to share it with everyone else
>>> and helpless, because the users don't have the source code, so they can't chan
>>> ge it,
>>> They can't even verify what it actually doing to them.
>>>
>>> However, just saying "I'm in favor of freedom" is too vain, is not specfic
>>> Even Bush says he's in favor of freedom (Laugh)
>>> and Bush can recognize freedom even after he's crashed.
>>> So I need to say sth more specific, more precise.
>>>
>>> A program is free software, if it gives the 4 essential freedoms.
>>> freedom 0, is to run the program as you wish
>>> freedom 1, is the freedom to study the source code of the program, and change
>>> it, to make it do what you wish.
>>> freedom 2, is the freedom to help your neighbour, that's the freedom to make c
>>> opies, exact copies, and distribute to others, when you wish.
>>> freedome 3, is the freedom to contribute to your community, that's the freedom
>>>  to make copies of your modified versions, and distribute them to others when
>>> you wish. The freedom to distribute copies, includes the freedom to gives them
>>>  away, and the freedom to sell them, so that hasn't to be 免费, often it is, b
>>> ut that's not part of the definition, that's because that's just about price a
>>> nd price isn't the issue here, freedom is the issue here.
>>>
>>> So if the program gives you all 4 of the essential freedoms, then it's a free
>>> software, which means that social system of the distribution and use, is an et
>>> hical system
>>> Where we respect freedom, and the social solidairy of our comunity.
>>>
>>> but if one of these freedom is missing, or insufficient,
>>> then it's proprietary software, non-free software, user-subjugating software,
>>>
>>> because the social system of the distribution and use is unethical,
>>> such software should not exist, developing a free software, is a contribution
>>> to society, big or small, depending on the details, but at least it's going in
>>>  the good direction.
>>> but to develop and distribute proprietary program, it's not a contribution to
>>> society,
>>> it's a power gramp()  , it's attempting to take power of society,
>>> if the program has any attractive features,
>>> those are bait for a trap, and the trap is that you lose your freedom.
>>> so, the aim of free software movement is, software should be free, users shoul
>>> d be free. (Applause)
>>>
>>> But why are these 4 freedoms essential,
>>> why divide free software this way? Each freedom has its own reason.
>>> Freedom 2, the freedom to help your neighbour,
>>> the freedom to make exact copies and distribute them,
>>> is essential on fundamental moral grounds.
>>> so that you can live an upright, ethical life as a good memeber of your commun
>>> ity.
>>> if you use a program that doesn't give you freedom No.2,
>>> you're in danger of falling into a moral dilemma,
>>> at any moment, whenever your friend says, "that program is nice, could i have
>>> a copy?"
>>> at that moment, you will face a choice between 2 evils
>>> 1 evil, is to give your friend a copy, and violate the licence of the program,
>>>
>>> the other evil, is to refuse your friend a copy, and comply with the licence o
>>> f the program.
>>> Once in the dilema, you ought to choose the lesser evil,
>>> which is to give your friend the copy, and violates the licence of the program
>>>
>>> what makes this evil the lesser evil?
>>> well, if you can't avoid doing some kind of wrong to somebody,
>>> better to do wrong to sb who has done wrong and deserves it.
>>> like the developer of pro,
>>> we can assume that your friend is a good friend, a good member of community,
>>>
>>> and normally deserves your co-operation,
>>> of coz, it's a good thing to co-opperate with other people as well.
>>> but this case, the case where the people is a good people of the comunity, is
>>> a sharpest case,
>>> the sharpest contrast, because let's contrast this good member of your comunit
>>> y with the developer of the proprietary program who has deliberately attacked
>>> the social solidatry of your comunity, deliberately try to divide you.
>>> clearly the lesser evil is to do wrong to the developer,
>>> however, being the lesser evil doesn't mean it's good
>>> it's never a good thing to make an agreement then to break it.
>>> now, there're some kind of agreements, that are evil in themselves,
>>> and keeping them is worse than breaking them,
>>> and that's an example, but still, breaking is not good
>>> and if you give your friend a copy, what will we have,
>>> he will have an unathorized copy of a proprietary program,
>>> and that's a bad thing, almost as bad as an authorized copy would be.
>>>
>>> So what you should really do, when you have thought about this ethical issue,
>>>
>>> is to make sure, you're never in this dilemma,
>>> there're 2 ways to do that,
>>> 1 is, don't have any friends,
>>> the distributers of proprietary software implicitly suggest that method
>>> the other method is , don't use the proprietary software,
>>> if you don't have a copy, you don't have to worry about what you will say to y
>>> our friend,
>>> that's my method, if sb offers me a proprietary program on the condition that
>>> i promise not to share with you,
>>> i would tell them no,
>>> i would say, my conscience doesn't allow me, to make an agreement like that,
>>>
>>> a couple of weeks ago, sb give me a computer,
>>> i went to visit the company, and i was given 1 of their computers
>>> and when i try to use it,
>>> the top of screen asking me to accept a licence,
>>> for some non-free programs,
>>> i couldn't agree with that,
>>> so i explain this problem, and i ask if there's anyway i can delete these non-
>>> free programs, and go past that and skip around that licence page,
>>> and so far, it's not clear that i can do so, so i may never actually use that
>>> computer,
>>> coz i'm not going to accept that licence.
>>>
>>> and we must reject the probability against the terms,
>>> that our enermy's use,
>>> for instance, what's it mean, when they say, if you share you're pirate,
>>> what they really tring to say?
>>> they're trying to say, that helping your neighbour,
>>> is the moral eqivalent of attacking a ship, to stealing a cargo,
>>> and nothing could be more false than that,
>>> because attacking a ship is very very bad,
>>> but helping your neighbour is the right thing to do,
>>> so those people are trying to twist up our ideas of right and wrong,
>>> by using dishonest words,
>>> we have watched out their dishonest words and rejects them,
>>> so when sb asks me what do i think of piracy,
>>> i say that attacking ships is very bad,
>>> and if someone asks me what i think of software piracy,
>>> i say as far as i know, pricay these days use guns, but not software.
>>> well that's the reason for freedom 2, the freedom to help your neighbour, the
>>> freedom to make exact copies and distribute them to others when you wish
>>>
>>> Freedom 0, the freedom to run the program as you wish,
>>> is essential for different reason,
>>> so you could control your computing.
>>> There're proprietary programs whose licence restricted even the use of authori
>>> zed copies,
>>> and that's obviously not controlling your computing,
>>> so that's unacceptable,
>>> we have to reject programs whose licences restricted how you can run them, or
>>> for what purpose, or how long, or anything like that.
>>> because you, have to be in control your own computing.
>>> but, freedom 0 is not enough.
>>> because, the developer still controls what you do,
>>> not through the licence, but through the code, the program.
>>> so we also need freedom 1, the freedom to study the source code and to change
>>> it.
>>> so the program does what you wish,
>>> this way, you decide, instead of having the developers decided and imposed dec
>>> isions on you.
>>> if a program doesn't come with freedom 1,
>>> you can even tell what's it doing to you.
>>> and many of these programs do nasty things,
>>> they have features designed to spy on the user, to restrict the user, even to
>>> attack the user,
>>> of coz, spying on the user and restricting the user is not done only by softwa
>>> re and your computer,
>>> and it's also done by servers and gateways,
>>> but that's the different issue,
>>> if you can't even control your computing on your computer,
>>> you're totally under the power of the software developers,
>>> and there malicious features are quite common,
>>> for instance, many proprietary program spy on the user,
>>> 1 you may heard of, that spy on user is called MS windows.
>>> when the users of windows, and i won't say you, because i'm sure you won't use
>>>  nasty program like this.
>>> when the users of windows, clicks on the menu feature, to search his own files
>>>  for a word,
>>> windows sends a message to MS saying what word you're searching for.
>>> that's 1 spy feature.
>>> but there's another, when XP asks for an upgrade,
>>> it sends MS a message of a list of all the programs on the machine,
>>> that's another spy feature,
>>> but are those the only ones?
>>> we don't know, MS never announced these spy features,
>>> people find them by investigation,
>>> so there could be more spy features, that people haven't found yet,
>>> however, windows isn't the only program that spy on the user,
>>> WMP does too, in fact, it does total surveillance. it report everything that t
>>> he user looks at.
>>> that illustrates today, cooperations try to spy on people just as same as the
>>> government do,
>>> most of the world is now under an empire of the magical coperations(???)
>>> and most governor do whatever the magical coperations(??) tells them to do,
>>> and this means they're not democratic, and that's bad thing.
>>> So, WMP spys on users, but, please don't think MS is uniquely evil, that MS
>>>
>>> is the only company so nasty that will do this
>>> because RealPlayer does the same thing,
>>> and we're almost certain RealPlayer did it first,
>>> after all, MS is more known for imitation than invetion.
>>> But malicious feature gets worse than just spying,
>>> there's also the malicious feature, functionality of refusing to function.
>>> when the program says, i don't wanna show the contents of this file,
>>> even though it's in your own computer,
>>> i don't wanna let you copy part of this file
>>> even though it's in your own computer,
>>> i'm not going to print this file for you, coz i don't like you.
>>> and i wasn't put here to serve you, i was put here to control you.
>>> i'm not your servant, although i pretend to be,
>>> i'm actually your prison guard.
>>>
>>> now this practice is also know as DRM(Digital Restrictions Management),
>>> intentionally implemented malicious feature of stopping you from doing things,
>>>  that sb else doesn't want you to do.
>>> and many companies do this, for instance MS, apple, google, adobe, sony, amazo
>>> n does this, and many other.
>>> and everytime they do this,
>>> it attacks your freedom, at 2 different levels at once.
>>> first of all, the purpose of these restrictions, is to attack your freedom,
>>> it's to stop you from doing things which would otherwise be your legal right,
>>>
>>> but the way they do it attacks your freedom at another level,
>>> because they do it by publishing things in secret formats,
>>> and that is to make sure we can't write any free software to access those thin
>>> gs,
>>> so even to access them in a way permitted, you have to use a non-free program,
>>>
>>> and that's also an attack on your freedom,
>>> 2 attacks on your freedom at the same time,
>>> because that's so dangerous,
>>> we urge you never to buy or accept or use any product with DRM,
>>> unless you personally possess the means to break the DRM.
>>>
>>> so far instances, if you have the free software that can read and play a DVD
>>>
>>> then it's OK to buy or rent DVDs or accept as gifts,
>>> but if you don't have that free software,
>>> you should refuse to accept a DVD,
>>> there're a few DVDs which are not encrypted
>>> and they don't post a problem, they don't have the DRM, that's fine, i have a
>>> few of those,
>>> i don't have any encrypted DVDs, i reject them.
>>>
>>
>


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