2008/9/5 DNA24 <slevin.van在gmail.com>:
> http://hardware.solidot.org/hardware/08/09/04/067241.shtml
>
> 上周在加利福尼亚，中国的研究人员首次展示了龙芯3多核处理器的细节。龙芯3由中科院计算机技术研究所（ICT)）研发，ICT的副所长徐志伟
> 称，"20年前，中国还没有处理器的研发计划。现在决策者和IT业已经认识到CPU（中央处理器）的重要。"
> 龙芯1代于2001年推出，龙芯2代在2003年发布，随后在2004和2006推出了更快的改良版。按计划，四核的龙芯3将在2009年亮相，八核版
> 本还在开发之中。基于龙芯的个人电脑也已经出现在市场上，安装了Linux系统和其它开源软件。徐志伟介绍龙芯3可以运行Windows系统。
>
> 相关联接：
> http://www.technologyreview.com/read_article.aspx?id=21322
> http://www.ict.ac.cn/default.asp
>


好事儿哪!!!


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跑的x86模拟器？

2008/9/5 Zoom. Quiet <zoom.quiet在gmail.com>

> 2008/9/5 DNA24 <slevin.van在gmail.com>:
> > http://hardware.solidot.org/hardware/08/09/04/067241.shtml
> >
> > 上周在加利福尼亚，中国的研究人员首次展示了龙芯3多核处理器的细节。龙芯3由中科院计算机技术研究所（ICT)）研发，ICT的副所长徐志伟
> > 称，"20年前，中国还没有处理器的研发计划。现在决策者和IT业已经认识到CPU（中央处理器）的重要。"
> > 龙芯1代于2001年推出，龙芯2代在2003年发布，随后在2004和2006推出了更快的改良版。按计划，四核的龙芯3将在2009年亮相，八核版
> > 本还在开发之中。基于龙芯的个人电脑也已经出现在市场上，安装了Linux系统和其它开源软件。徐志伟介绍龙芯3可以运行Windows系统。
> >
> > 相关联接：
> > http://www.technologyreview.com/read_article.aspx?id=21322
> > http://www.ict.ac.cn/default.asp
> >
>
>
> 好事儿哪!!!
>
>
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>
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Traits Zhang wrote:
> 跑的x86模拟器？
>
如此性能必离谱。难道像alpha一样使微软发行一套alpha版的Windows？

http://www.linuxbanks.cn 上所说的只能在Windows上运行的网银，基本上都是只
能在x86或64版的Windows上运行。没见到兼容alpha版Windows的。

Zoom.Quiet 写道:
> 2008/9/5 DNA24 <slevin.van at gmail.com>:
>   
>> http://hardware.solidot.org/hardware/08/09/04/067241.shtml
>>
>> 上周在加利福尼亚，中国的研究人员首次展示了龙芯3多核处理器的细节。龙芯3由中科院计算机技术研究所（ICT)）研发，ICT的副所长徐志伟
>> 称，"20年前，中国还没有处理器的研发计划。现在决策者和IT业已经认识到CPU（中央处理器）的重要。"
>> 龙芯1代于2001年推出，龙芯2代在2003年发布，随后在2004和2006推出了更快的改良版。按计划，四核的龙芯3将在2009年亮相，八核版
>> 本还在开发之中。基于龙芯的个人电脑也已经出现在市场上，安装了Linux系统和其它开源软件。徐志伟介绍龙芯3可以运行Windows系统。
>>
>> 相关联接：
>> http://www.technologyreview.com/read_article.aspx?id=21322
>>     
哈，刚才看的techreview上关于此消息的评论很有意思，看到了很多米国人对中国 
的看法

http://www.technologyreview.com/discussions/infotech/61022/
>> http://www.ict.ac.cn/default.asp
>>
>>     
>
>
> 好事儿哪!!!
>
>
>   

Xia Qingran wrote:
> 哈，刚才看的 techreview上关于此消息的评论很有意思，看到了很多米国人对
> 中国 的看法
>
> http://www.technologyreview.com/discussions/infotech/61022/
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>
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> www.technologyreview.com.
> Though the site seems valid, the browser was unable to establish a
> connection.
>
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如果是GFW请把内容拷贝粘贴在邮件列表里吧。GFW教我们学会了使用拷贝粘贴法而
非链接引用。

2008/9/5 DNA24 <slevin.van at gmail.com>:
 
> 徐志伟介绍龙芯3可以运行Windows系统。
CE?

zhangweiwu at realss.com wrote:
> Xia Qingran wrote:
>   
>> discussions/infotech/61022/
>>     
> 网页打开为：
>   
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>>
>>
>> Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at
>> www.technologyreview.com.
>> Though the site seems valid, the browser was unable to establish a
>> connection.
>>
>>     * Could the site be temporarily unavailable? Try again later.
>>     * Are you unable to browse other sites?  Check the computer's
>> network connection.
>>     * Is your computer or network protected by a firewall or proxy?
>> Incorrect settings can interfere with Web browsing.
>>     
>
> 如果是GFW请把内容拷贝粘贴在邮件列表里吧。GFW教我们学会了使用拷贝粘贴法而
> 非链接引用。
>   
kao
郁闷！MIT tech review

http://www.technologyreview.com/

居然打不开了！昨天还好好的，猜测是这页触犯某些东东。

而且他们的中文站也打不开了:(

http://www.techreviewchina.com/

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> 如果是GFW请把内容拷贝粘贴在邮件列表里吧。GFW教我们学会了使用拷贝粘贴法而
> 非链接引用。

as you know how many microchip is from USA, you should know why
Chinese mades this new microchip;  maybe this is very importment for
Chinese goverment and military
--------------------------------------------
Wont be long as more linux distributions are ported to the new mips
based cpu. If distributed to classrooms in china, linux would be posed
to become the worlds most used computer operating system. An explosion
in development on linux will follow
--------------------------------------------
We need to trust the gov't of Red China when they tell us that no
patents are being infringed.  After all, they were so truthful and
honest during the Olympics, and they have done such a bang-up job
combating piracy.  Not to mention the notable reliability of their
chemicals and pharmaceuticals.  Such diligence on their part at
establishing their reputation should not go unrewarded.
--------------------------------------------
I agree, despite your sarcasm.  China is an up-and-coming power in the
world and it makes a lot of Americans nervous.  I love to see more
innovation in technology like this, regardless of the country
producing it.
--------------------------------------------
Looking at America's behaviour after WW2 when they "appropriated" all
of the important German and Japanese patents (Bayer,Krups etc) by
waiving the victors stick at Patent conventions and rewriting those
that didnt suit, who are you to chastise the Chinese?
--------------------------------------------
The URL you cite does provide an interesting take on events, although
I question the neutrality of the article based on the use of scare
quotes around the word "holocaust" -- implying that the author does
not actually believe such an event occurred, or was deliberately
inflated.

It's also worth mentioning that the United States was hardly alone in
carving up Germany's intellectual property -- the Soviet Union (or
"Russians" as they are referred to in the linked article) were just as
guilty, yet you don't mention them in your comment.  Selective
blindness on your part, perhaps?

The fact is, we took their scientists too, not just their patents.
Many of these people could have stood trial for war crimes, but they
were deemed too useful to languish in prison or to be executed.  And
another inconvenient fact is, many countries absorb the intellectual
property and other valuable assets of those they conquer.  The Chinese
are no different in this regard, so trying to argue that Americans
lack moral authority to comment is disingenuous at best.

More on topic: While I'm sure it's great that China is developing its
own domestic source of CPUs, what concerns me is the potential
security risk these chips would pose if imported into the U.S. (either
on their own or incorporated into devices).  There's also an economic
impact -- the U.S. currently outsources a lot of development and
fabrication for commodity chips (memory being a prime example), but
CPU design has been mostly kept here in the States, or in strongly
allied countries like Israel.  You're welcome to try and turn that,
too, into a referendum on how America isn't trustworthy, and that's
your prerogative, but that doesn't mean America should trust the
motives of China (or Russia, for that matter).
--------------------------------------------
We may not be able to completely trust the Chinese government.  But
can we trust the US Government?  Or can we trust anyone for that
matter?  What did the Bush Admin tell us about the "never-found" WMD
in Iraq?  I can't imagine what the West would react if the Chinese
government did something like the Big American Lie in Iraq.
--------------------------------------------
Also, have we heard any doping issues with any Chinese athletes?  Why
are they so common to the Western athletes, esp. the Americans?

China has achieved tremendous progress in its economy, political
reform and democratic progress during the last 30 years.  What have
we, the Americans do during the last 30 years?  Can we compare our
progress to a that of China?  What about 30 years from today?  I hope
we won't have to sneak into China to get green card there by then.
--------------------------------------------
If one thing the West should learn about Chinese Gov't recently is to
look at how they pull together the 2008 Olympic.  The Chinese Gov't
has the will and (human) power to make it happens. Intel will not have
the cash nor will or power to compete with the Chinese Gov't (or
another state owned or subsidized compnay) in the CPU market.  Last,
they can and will make sure the Chinese to buy their owned CPU
regardless of what Intel offer. Intel investment and training in China
will just teach them to get there faster.  And it will happen much
faster than you think.
--------------------------------------------
So the Chinese built a CPU. Big deal. The CPU is old 20th century
technology. Heck, it's even older than that because Charles Babbage
understood the principles behind the CPU 150 years ago. I hate to
break it to the Chinese (and the Western computer industry) but the
CPU is not part of the future of computing.

I would be worried if the Chinese had perfected the first pure MIMD
(multiple instruction, multiple data) vector core in which every
instruction is a parallel vector unit. That would tell me that they
had figured out the correct solution to the parallel programming
crisis, among other things. Had they done so, it would have been cause
for serious concern because the military (and economic) implications
are scary indeed.

Heralding the Empending Death of the CPU:
http://rebelscience.blogspot.com/2008/08/heralding-impending-death-of-cpu.html
--------------------------------------------
no offence. america will not change unless she is extremely
endangered. remember we assimilated a lot of ww2 german tech and
concepts? we carried those to the cold war that held us in one piece.
so what are we back to step 1? because our political and corporate do
not feel threaten technologically. and why the heck are we still using
2g cellular networks and not hspda..... just proves that lack of
understanding and involvement is self serving.
--------------------------------------------
I doubt its virtualization.....onboard the chip....they are just
adding instructions so that means that the actual instructions are
onboard the chip, thus infringing patents and licenses....crafty
Chinese....

The only way you can virtualize without a liscense is if its software
virtualized
--------------------------------------------
There are techniques that would allow this, such as code morphing. Via
used this in the Crusoe line of processors.
When positive articles touch on the Chinese, we feel fear. What is
that we (Americans)fear?  My take is that we know the Chinese are
hungry.  Hungry in a way that Americans have not been in 50 years.
More importantly the Chinese are not restricted by psycho social
concerns as we are in America. They play to win, regardless of the
human cost.  That scares us more than anything because we know we have
become a lethargic and complacent people; unable to compete on such a
playing field.  Yes, they steal, they lie, they cheat.  The rules of
the world have changed and in some small regard, stayed the same.  We
better learn how to play by the old rules again or it will be our
country, family and friends that grovel for a seat at the table
plenty.

Fight for your Country but do it wisely.
--------------------------------------------
Western Countries lied, cheated and stole too.
--------------------------------------------
Rather than feeling sour about the advance of Chinese, why don't
people just put their heads down and do better work?
There is no question we have to put our heads down and work harder.
And yes America has had its share of lies, deceits and betrayals.  But
is that the America we live in now?  This brings us back to the
question "Are we a nation of laws".  The answer on the surface is
without a doubt "yes". Do we have room for improvement?  Again,"yes".
Do our politicians and establishments lie and cheat the common
citizen. Again, "yes". But here I pause. At what level are we lied to
and cheated? Is our freedom and security tarnished so badly in this
country that the concept of personal and intellectual property has
become a joke? The answer to that question is "no". We do enjoy
protections of both Physical and intellectual property.

While we struggle to maintain the securities and freedoms that have
made this country strong we are left with a great dilemma. The world,
most notably the Chinese are not playing by the rules. Wrong, right or
the other we are forced to compete in a global Marketplace. My
question is do we continue to play by rules that others (Chinese) do
not? Can we compete if we continue to take the Moral high ground? Or
are we forced to their level to compete and ultimately survive?

We must know our enemy (Economic enemy) if we hope to prosper in the
coming generations.

Without the Rule of Law the pirates and governments of the world win.
Who loses out?…The people! The Chinese appear to know this and not
care.

They need to know we are watching and that we care.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4131724/
--------------------------------------------
"We better learn how to play by the old rules again or it will be our
country, family and friends that grovel for a seat at the table
plenty. "

Sure, let's exploit child labor, protect our oil abroad (China-Sudan,
US-??), engender protectionism, pollute our environment... yes win
today, and perhaps even tomorrow, but loose for humanity and the world
of the future.
--------------------------------------------
I hope they put Intel out of business, would serve them right for
sending all their fab plants to China in the first place.
--------------------------------------------
So they are infringing on Intel's patents, what is Intel going to do
about it? They are going to do the same all the other companies have
done. Nothing.
--------------------------------------------
How do you know they are infringing the patents? Don't you think Intel
would have done something to protect their monopoly? Chip technology
has been in the textbook for more than a decade, and everyone can make
one. Don't you think technology is only in US. How about the Rockets
and astronauts China sent to the space?
--------------------------------------------
Give the chinese some time, they will find a way to close the gap
between them an Intel. I still prefer Intel processors. It will be
like AMD, their processors used to crash all the time, but after they
fixed the problems their processors are reasonably OK, a 19.7% share
in the CPU market is not bad. But truth be told, Intel processors are
the best