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星期六十月 11 10:55:07 CST 2008

开源软件就应该是自由软件吧

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>   1. Re: [XiYouLinux] Re: Python Pinyin Search (Jianjun Kong)
>   2. Re: [XiYouLinux] Re: Python Pinyin Search (vvoody)
>   3. Re: 开源软件是自由软件的市场宣传计划
>      (blackjack xu)
>   4. Re: 开源软件是自由软件的市场宣传计划 (Zoom.Quiet)
>   5. Re: 开源软件是自由软件的市场宣传计划 (Yongwei Wu)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 22:47:36 +0800
> From: Jianjun Kong <kongjianjun在gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [zeuux-universe] [XiYouLinux] Re: Python Pinyin Search
> To: 高伟 <2008gaowei在gmail.com>
> Cc: Xiyou-Linux-Group <xiyoulinux在googlegroups.com>, 西电Linux
>        <xidian_linux在googlegroups.com>, 哲思自由软件社区
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> On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 10:22:55PM +0800, 高伟 wrote:
> >
> >
> >2008/10/10 Jianjun Kong <kongjianjun在gmail.com>
> >
> >    On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 07:10:11PM +0800, vvoody wrote:
> >    >2008/10/10 Jianjun Kong <kongjianjun在gmail.com>
> >    >    Python Pinyin Searcher
> >    >
> >    >    一、软件信息
> >    >           软件名：Python Pinyin Searcher (pysearcher)
> >    >           软件作者：孔建军（西邮Linux）
> >    >           软件描述：用Python语言开发的一款，图形界面的汉字拼音查询工具。
> >    >           软件下载：http://kongove.cn/down/prog/pysearcher.tar.gz
> >    >           针对用户：学习汉语拼音的外国朋友
> >    >
> >
> >
> >下载后的
> >[gaowei在localhost pysearcher]$ ls
> >pinyin.txt  pinyin_x2.py
> >[gaowei在localhost pysearcher]$ chmod +x pinyin_x2.py
> >[gaowei在localhost pysearcher]$ python pinyin_x2.py
> >Traceback (most recent call last):
> >  File "pinyin_x2.py", line 4, in 
> >    import wx
> >ImportError: No module named wx
> >[gaowei在localhost pysearcher]$
>
> 你需要安装 wxPython图形库
> (python-wxgtk2.6 python-wxtools python-wxversion)
>
> 我也在考虑如何让没有安装图形库的用户使用~
> >    >
> >    >nice~
> >    >建议，来张 screenshot 吧 ;-)
> >
> >    （图片这里有 http://www.kongove.cn/blog/?p=283)
>
> >>咦？你是刚放进去的？为啥我刚才看的时候没看到一张图片呢？
>
> To vvoody: 一直有呀。下载文件里使用说明上也有图片.
>
> --
> Jianjun Kong | Happy Hacking
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> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 22:52:04 +0800
> From: vvoody <wxj.g.sh在gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [zeuux-universe] [XiYouLinux] Re: Python Pinyin Search
> To: "Jianjun Kong" <kongjianjun在gmail.com>
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> 2008/10/10 Jianjun Kong <kongjianjun在gmail.com>
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> > On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 10:22:55PM +0800, 高伟 wrote:
> >
> > >>咦？你是刚放进去的？为啥我刚才看的时候没看到一张图片呢？
> >
> > To vvoody: 一直有呀。下载文件里使用说明上也有图片.
> >
> > 哦，那就是我自己的问题了。
> --
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> Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:45:45 +0800
> From: "blackjack xu" <blackjack.xu在gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [zeuux-universe]
>        开源软件是自由软件的市场宣传计划
> To: "Yongwei Wu" <wuyongwei在gmail.com>
> Cc: "Zoom. Quiet" <zoom.quiet在gmail.com>, 17LAMP在googlegroups.com,
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> 有人整天高调,标榜自己的自由软件,偏偏自己在用开源软件混饭吃.
> Python is Open
>
> The Python implementation is under an open source license that makes it
> *freely
> usable and distributable, even for commercial use*. The Python
> license<http://www.python.org/psf/license/>is administered by the
> Python
> Software Foundation <http://www.python.org/psf/>.
> From: http://www.python.org/about/
>
> -Jack
>
> 2008/10/10 Yongwei Wu <wuyongwei在gmail.com>
>
> > 2008/10/10 Zoom. Quiet <zoom.quiet在gmail.com>:
> > > 2008/10/10 Yongwei Wu <wuyongwei在gmail.com>:
> > >> 在看Producing Open Source Software一书时读到了这些内容：
> > >>
> > > 这是开源的软文,和自由软件没有关系
> >
> > 你凭什么这么说？说话要有根据。
> >
> > 即使真是软文，也不等于里面说的是错的。我没看到里面违反事实的地方。如果
> > 你觉得里面说错了，可以逐条驳斥。请不要用贴标签的方法进行辩论。
> >
> > 我再一次强调以下事实，绝大多数的"开源软件"是自由软件。事实上，没有一
> > 个著名的开源软件不满足自由软件的定义。这一条如果是错的，应当相当容易驳
> > 斥。你只需要找出一个反例即可证否我的观点。
> >
> > >> The Open Source Initiative is a marketing program for free software.
> > >> It's a pitch for "free software" on solid pragmatic grounds rather
> > >> than ideological tub-thumping. The winning substance has not changed,
> > >> the losing attitude and symbolism have. ...
> > >>
> > >> The case that needs to be made to most techies isn't about the concept
> > >> of open source, but the name. Why not call it, as we traditionally
> > >> have, free software?
> > >>
> > >> One direct reason is that the term "free software" is easily
> > >> misunderstood in ways that lead to conflict. ...
> > >>
> > >> But the real reason for the re-labeling is a marketing one. We're
> > >> trying to pitch our concept to the corporate world now. We have a
> > >> winning product, but our positioning, in the past, has been awful. The
> > >> term "free software" has been misunderstood by business persons, who
> > >> mistake the desire to share with anti-commercialism, or worse, theft.
> > >>
> > >> Mainstream corporate CEOs and CTOs will never buy "free software." But
> > >> if we take the very same tradition, the same people, and the same
> > >> free-software licenses and change the label to "open source" ? that,
> > >> they'll buy.
> > >>
> > >> Some hackers find this hard to believe, but that's because they're
> > >> techies who think in concrete, substantial terms and don't understand
> > >> how important image is when you're selling something.
> > >>
> > >> In marketing, appearance is reality. The appearance that we're willing
> > >> to climb down off the barricades and work with the corporate world
> > >> counts for as much as the reality of our behavior, our convictions,
> > >> and our software.
> > >>
> > >> (from http://opensource.feratech.com/advocacy/faq.php and
> > >>
> http://opensource.feratech.com/advocacy/case_for_hackers.php#marketing)
> >
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> Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 07:59:03 +0800
> From: Zoom.Quiet <zoom.quiet在gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [zeuux-universe]
>        开源软件是自由软件的市场宣传计划
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> 2008/10/11 blackjack xu <blackjack.xu在gmail.com>:
> > 有人整天高调,标榜自己的自由软件,偏偏自己在用开源软件混饭吃.
> >
> 咔咔咔，这和高调与否没有关系吧？
> 这和你代码的许可证选择有关，和使用什么软件有关系嘛?
> 当然你选择了专有技术平台是没招的了,,,
>
> 这是基础概念吧,怎么海派的总将这核心概念着意混淆呢?
>
> > Python is Open
> >
> > The Python implementation is under an open source license that makes it
> > freely usable and distributable, even for commercial use. The Python
> license
> > is administered by the Python Software Foundation.
> >
> > From: http://www.python.org/about/
> >
> > -Jack
> >
> > 2008/10/10 Yongwei Wu <wuyongwei在gmail.com>
> >>
> >> 2008/10/10 Zoom. Quiet <zoom.quiet在gmail.com>:
> >> > 2008/10/10 Yongwei Wu <wuyongwei在gmail.com>:
> >> >> 在看Producing Open Source Software一书时读到了这些内容：
> >> >>
> >> > 这是开源的软文,和自由软件没有关系
> >>
> >> 你凭什么这么说？说话要有根据。
> >>
> >> 即使真是软文，也不等于里面说的是错的。我没看到里面违反事实的地方。如果
> >> 你觉得里面说错了，可以逐条驳斥。请不要用贴标签的方法进行辩论。
> >>
> >> 我再一次强调以下事实，绝大多数的"开源软件"是自由软件。事实上，没有一
> >> 个著名的开源软件不满足自由软件的定义。这一条如果是错的，应当相当容易驳
> >> 斥。你只需要找出一个反例即可证否我的观点。
> >>
>
> MySQL ,,,,
>
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> Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 10:48:26 +0800
> From: "Yongwei Wu" <wuyongwei在gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [zeuux-universe]
>        开源软件是自由软件的市场宣传计划
> To: "Zoom. Quiet" <zoom.quiet在gmail.com>
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> 2008/10/11 Zoom. Quiet <zoom.quiet在gmail.com>:
> >>> >> 在看Producing Open Source Software一书时读到了这些内容：
> >>> >>
> >>> > 这是开源的软文,和自由软件没有关系
> >>>
> >>> 你凭什么这么说？说话要有根据。
> >>>
> >>> 即使真是软文，也不等于里面说的是错的。我没看到里面违反事实的地方。如果
> >>> 你觉得里面说错了，可以逐条驳斥。请不要用贴标签的方法进行辩论。
> >>>
> >>> 我再一次强调以下事实，绝大多数的"开源软件"是自由软件。事实上，没有一
> >>> 个著名的开源软件不满足自由软件的定义。这一条如果是错的，应当相当容易驳
> >>> 斥。你只需要找出一个反例即可证否我的观点。
> >>>
> >
> > MySQL ,,,,
>
> MySQL是GPL发布的，当然是自由软件。如果你指的是其商业版本的话，其许可也不满足开源软件的定义。
>
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