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标题:[zeuux-universe] [CPeX] Sun开始关闭MySQL部分功能的源代码

2008年04月17日 星期四 22:24

Alex Peng Alex.Peng at Sun.COM
Thu Apr 17 22:24:02 CST 2008

不好意思,帮俺看看翻译的对吗,另外,他还有话说,也在那个link里。




Zoom.Quiet 写道:
> that clean! 可惜明白人,总是比 Troll 要少,所以...
>
> 2008/4/17 Alex Peng <Alex.Peng at sun.com>:
>   
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  我给翻译了,唉。
>>
>>
>>  +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>
>>
>>  这里有原文
>>
>>
>>
>>  http://developers.slashdot.org/developers/08/04/16/2337224.shtml
>>
>>  请看Marten Mickos的话:
>>
>>  Thanks for all the comments on this. We are listening attentively. Let me
>> clarify some facts:
>>  - 谢谢所有的评论。我们在认真地倾听。请让我澄清一些事实:
>>
>>  * The business decision on this was made by MySQL AB (by me as the then
>> CEO) prior to the acquisition by Sun, so this has nothing to do with Sun. On
>> the contrary, Sun is more likely to influence this decision the other way.
>>
>>  - 这个商务决定是由MySQL AB(在我任CEO时)做出的,发生在被Sun收购之前,所
>> 以这跟Sun无关。相反的,Sun更倾向于向相反的方向引导这个决策。
>>
>>  * It is not a quesiton of close sourcing any existing code, nor anything in
>> the core server. Everything we have released under GPL continues to be under
>> GPL, and the core server will always be under GPL (or some other FOSS
>> licence).
>>
>>  - 这不是要闭源任何已有的代码,也与core server无关。我们已有的按GPL开放的 代码将继续服从GPL,core
>> server将永远遵从GPL(或其它FOSS licence)。
>>
>>  * We will introduce backup functionality for all users (Community and
>> Enterprise) under GPL in version 6.0.
>>
>>  - 我们将在6.0版本里按GPL为所有用户(社区版和企业版,Community and Enterprise)提供备份功能。
>>
>>
>>  * Additionally we will develop high-end add-ons (such as encryption, native
>> storage engine-specific drivers) that we will deliver to customers in the
>> MySQL Enterprise product only. We have not yet decided under what licence we
>> will release those add-ons (GPL, some other FOSS licence, and/or
>> commercial).
>>
>>  - 另外,我们将开发一些高端增值功能(high-end add-ons) (如encryption, native storage
>> engine-specific drivers),这些将只为MySQL Enterprise的用
>> 户提供。我们尚未决定我们将使用什么样的license来release这些功能(GPL, 其它 一些FOSS licence, 和/或 商业
>> licence)。
>>
>>
>>  * At all times, because the main backup functionality goes into the core
>> server under GPL, anyone can of course use the api and build their own
>> add-ons or other modifications.
>>
>>  - 在任何时候,因为最主要的备份功能是被集成在core server中的,也遵从GPL,
>> 任何人当然都可以使用api来构建他们自己的增值功能或是进行修正。
>>
>>
>>  Those are the facts on this. The interesting topic is of course the one of
>> the business model and what the best business model for FOSS software is. I
>> hope to cover that in a separate posting.
>>
>>  - 以上是关于此事的一些事实。有趣的题目当然是与商业模式及什么是对FOSS软件 最好的商业模式。我希望能在另一个帖子里讨论。
>>
>>  In all of this, you have our undivided continued commitment to providing a
>> fantastic and complete MySQL server under GPL for anyone to download and
>> use. If we for whatever reason would not do that, we would risk losing users
>> to other open source databases or risk seeing a fork of our own product.
>> This is the power of open source.
>>
>>  - 不管怎样,我们将在GPL下为任何人提供优良的完整的MySQL server,您可以下
>> 载和使用,这是我们完全的承诺。如果我们背离了这个承诺,我们的用户可能会弃 我们而去,使用其它的开源数据库,或是将产生一个我们自己产品的复制品
>> (fork)。这是开源的威力。
>>
>>  Make sense?
>>  - 解释清楚了吗?
>>
>>
>>  Marten
>>  previously CEO of MySQL, now SVP at Sun
>>  - MySQL前CEO,现Sun SVP
>>
>>  ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>
>>
>>  Alex Peng 写道:
>>
>>
>>
>>     
>>> 请耐心看完
>>> http://developers.slashdot.org/developers/08/04/16/2337224.shtml
>>>
>>> 找其中 Marten Mikos 的部分,不幸的是没有被翻译成中文。:(
>>> 诸位如果认可他的解释,请广为告知。
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Alex Peng 写道:
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>>> 最原始的link在这里,包括有martin的解释。
>>>>
>>>>         
>> http://jcole.us/blog/archives/2008/04/14/just-announced-mysql-to-launch-new-features-only-in-mysql-enterprise/
>>     
>>>> 让我再去打探一番。
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Zoom.Quiet 写道:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> 正是担心这方面的事儿哪...
>>>>>
>>>>> 2008/4/17 Willow <Chengyin.Liu at gmail.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>>>> Sent to you by Willow via Google Reader:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sun开始关闭MySQL部分功能的源代码
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             
>>>>> http://developers.solidot.org/article.pl?sid=08/04/17/0759217&from;=rss
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>>>> via Solidot by matrix on 4/17/08
>>>>>>  来自MySQL用户大会的消息,Sun宣布、MySQL前CEO Marten
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             
>> Mickos证实,太阳微系统公司将封闭部分MySQL的代码。Sun开始关闭MySQL备份方案的源代码,许多高级功能的代码也将不再开放。当Oracle收购了MySQL使用的数据引擎公司Innodb后,它采用了GPL许可发布,这是否意味着MySQL可能去除它,以引入这些的新特性?Sun在真正的开源方面有着糟糕的历史。
>>     
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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2008年04月18日 星期五 09:40

Bill Xu bill at zeuux.org
Fri Apr 18 09:40:33 CST 2008

Alex,

你可以考虑写个新闻稿,然后通过哲思发表出去,以反应客观事实。


Alex Peng 写道:
> 不好意思,帮俺看看翻译的对吗,另外,他还有话说,也在那个link里。
>
>
>
>
> Zoom.Quiet 写道:
>   
>> that clean! 可惜明白人,总是比 Troll 要少,所以...
>>
>> 2008/4/17 Alex Peng <Alex.Peng at sun.com>:
>>   
>>     
>>>
>>>
>>>  我给翻译了,唉。
>>>
>>>
>>>  +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>
>>>
>>>  这里有原文
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  http://developers.slashdot.org/developers/08/04/16/2337224.shtml
>>>
>>>  请看Marten Mickos的话:
>>>
>>>  Thanks for all the comments on this. We are listening attentively. Let me
>>> clarify some facts:
>>>  - 谢谢所有的评论。我们在认真地倾听。请让我澄清一些事实:
>>>
>>>  * The business decision on this was made by MySQL AB (by me as the then
>>> CEO) prior to the acquisition by Sun, so this has nothing to do with Sun. On
>>> the contrary, Sun is more likely to influence this decision the other way.
>>>
>>>  - 这个商务决定是由MySQL AB(在我任CEO时)做出的,发生在被Sun收购之前,所
>>> 以这跟Sun无关。相反的,Sun更倾向于向相反的方向引导这个决策。
>>>
>>>  * It is not a quesiton of close sourcing any existing code, nor anything in
>>> the core server. Everything we have released under GPL continues to be under
>>> GPL, and the core server will always be under GPL (or some other FOSS
>>> licence).
>>>
>>>  - 这不是要闭源任何已有的代码,也与core server无关。我们已有的按GPL开放的 代码将继续服从GPL,core
>>> server将永远遵从GPL(或其它FOSS licence)。
>>>
>>>  * We will introduce backup functionality for all users (Community and
>>> Enterprise) under GPL in version 6.0.
>>>
>>>  - 我们将在6.0版本里按GPL为所有用户(社区版和企业版,Community and Enterprise)提供备份功能。
>>>
>>>
>>>  * Additionally we will develop high-end add-ons (such as encryption, native
>>> storage engine-specific drivers) that we will deliver to customers in the
>>> MySQL Enterprise product only. We have not yet decided under what licence we
>>> will release those add-ons (GPL, some other FOSS licence, and/or
>>> commercial).
>>>
>>>  - 另外,我们将开发一些高端增值功能(high-end add-ons) (如encryption, native storage
>>> engine-specific drivers),这些将只为MySQL Enterprise的用
>>> 户提供。我们尚未决定我们将使用什么样的license来release这些功能(GPL, 其它 一些FOSS licence, 和/或 商业
>>> licence)。
>>>
>>>
>>>  * At all times, because the main backup functionality goes into the core
>>> server under GPL, anyone can of course use the api and build their own
>>> add-ons or other modifications.
>>>
>>>  - 在任何时候,因为最主要的备份功能是被集成在core server中的,也遵从GPL,
>>> 任何人当然都可以使用api来构建他们自己的增值功能或是进行修正。
>>>
>>>
>>>  Those are the facts on this. The interesting topic is of course the one of
>>> the business model and what the best business model for FOSS software is. I
>>> hope to cover that in a separate posting.
>>>
>>>  - 以上是关于此事的一些事实。有趣的题目当然是与商业模式及什么是对FOSS软件 最好的商业模式。我希望能在另一个帖子里讨论。
>>>
>>>  In all of this, you have our undivided continued commitment to providing a
>>> fantastic and complete MySQL server under GPL for anyone to download and
>>> use. If we for whatever reason would not do that, we would risk losing users
>>> to other open source databases or risk seeing a fork of our own product.
>>> This is the power of open source.
>>>
>>>  - 不管怎样,我们将在GPL下为任何人提供优良的完整的MySQL server,您可以下
>>> 载和使用,这是我们完全的承诺。如果我们背离了这个承诺,我们的用户可能会弃 我们而去,使用其它的开源数据库,或是将产生一个我们自己产品的复制品
>>> (fork)。这是开源的威力。
>>>
>>>  Make sense?
>>>  - 解释清楚了吗?
>>>
>>>
>>>  Marten
>>>  previously CEO of MySQL, now SVP at Sun
>>>  - MySQL前CEO,现Sun SVP
>>>
>>>  ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>
>>>
>>>  Alex Peng 写道:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     
>>>       
>>>> 请耐心看完
>>>> http://developers.slashdot.org/developers/08/04/16/2337224.shtml
>>>>
>>>> 找其中 Marten Mikos 的部分,不幸的是没有被翻译成中文。:(
>>>> 诸位如果认可他的解释,请广为告知。
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Alex Peng 写道:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>>>> 最原始的link在这里,包括有martin的解释。
>>>>>
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>> http://jcole.us/blog/archives/2008/04/14/just-announced-mysql-to-launch-new-features-only-in-mysql-enterprise/
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> 让我再去打探一番。
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Zoom.Quiet 写道:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>> 正是担心这方面的事儿哪...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2008/4/17 Willow <Chengyin.Liu at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>> Sent to you by Willow via Google Reader:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sun开始关闭MySQL部分功能的源代码
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>               
>>>>>> http://developers.solidot.org/article.pl?sid=08/04/17/0759217&from;=rss
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>> via Solidot by matrix on 4/17/08
>>>>>>>  来自MySQL用户大会的消息,Sun宣布、MySQL前CEO Marten
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>               
>>> Mickos证实,太阳微系统公司将封闭部分MySQL的代码。Sun开始关闭MySQL备份方案的源代码,许多高级功能的代码也将不再开放。当Oracle收购了MySQL使用的数据引擎公司Innodb后,它采用了GPL许可发布,这是否意味着MySQL可能去除它,以引入这些的新特性?Sun在真正的开源方面有着糟糕的历史。
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Things you can do from here:
>>>>>>> Subscribe to Solidot using Google Reader
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>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>               
>>> favorite
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>>>> sites
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>>>>>>>  http://groups-beta.google.com/group/mindex?hl=zh-CN
>>>>>>>  -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>           
>>>>>>             
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2008年04月18日 星期五 10:03

Alex Peng Alex.Peng at Sun.COM
Fri Apr 18 10:03:11 CST 2008

我还不知道该怎么写呢。 呵呵。谢谢关心。

不过再次发现看第一手材料的必要性。这类网站的中文版是他们自己做的吗,还是 
外包的,还是网友自发维护的?好奇。

又及,上文的题目有点问题 -  "开始关闭”,其实是尚未发生,关闭与否尚未决 
定。现在才release 5。1版,他说的大概是6。0以后的事。



Bill Xu 写道:
> Alex,
>
> 你可以考虑写个新闻稿,然后通过哲思发表出去,以反应客观事实。
>
>
> Alex Peng 写道:
>> 不好意思,帮俺看看翻译的对吗,另外,他还有话说,也在那个link里。
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Zoom.Quiet 写道:
>>   
>>> that clean! 可惜明白人,总是比 Troll 要少,所以...
>>>
>>> 2008/4/17 Alex Peng <Alex.Peng at sun.com>:
>>>   
>>>     
>>>>
>>>>  我给翻译了,唉。
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  这里有原文
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  http://developers.slashdot.org/developers/08/04/16/2337224.shtml
>>>>
>>>>  请看Marten Mickos的话:
>>>>
>>>>  Thanks for all the comments on this. We are listening attentively. Let me
>>>> clarify some facts:
>>>>  - 谢谢所有的评论。我们在认真地倾听。请让我澄清一些事实:
>>>>
>>>>  * The business decision on this was made by MySQL AB (by me as the then
>>>> CEO) prior to the acquisition by Sun, so this has nothing to do with Sun. On
>>>> the contrary, Sun is more likely to influence this decision the other way.
>>>>
>>>>  - 这个商务决定是由MySQL AB(在我任CEO时)做出的,发生在被Sun收购之前,所
>>>> 以这跟Sun无关。相反的,Sun更倾向于向相反的方向引导这个决策。
>>>>
>>>>  * It is not a quesiton of close sourcing any existing code, nor anything in
>>>> the core server. Everything we have released under GPL continues to be under
>>>> GPL, and the core server will always be under GPL (or some other FOSS
>>>> licence).
>>>>
>>>>  - 这不是要闭源任何已有的代码,也与core server无关。我们已有的按GPL开放的 代码将继续服从GPL,core
>>>> server将永远遵从GPL(或其它FOSS licence)。
>>>>
>>>>  * We will introduce backup functionality for all users (Community and
>>>> Enterprise) under GPL in version 6.0.
>>>>
>>>>  - 我们将在6.0版本里按GPL为所有用户(社区版和企业版,Community and Enterprise)提供备份功能。
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  * Additionally we will develop high-end add-ons (such as encryption, native
>>>> storage engine-specific drivers) that we will deliver to customers in the
>>>> MySQL Enterprise product only. We have not yet decided under what licence we
>>>> will release those add-ons (GPL, some other FOSS licence, and/or
>>>> commercial).
>>>>
>>>>  - 另外,我们将开发一些高端增值功能(high-end add-ons) (如encryption, native storage
>>>> engine-specific drivers),这些将只为MySQL Enterprise的用
>>>> 户提供。我们尚未决定我们将使用什么样的license来release这些功能(GPL, 其它 一些FOSS licence, 和/或 商业
>>>> licence)。
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  * At all times, because the main backup functionality goes into the core
>>>> server under GPL, anyone can of course use the api and build their own
>>>> add-ons or other modifications.
>>>>
>>>>  - 在任何时候,因为最主要的备份功能是被集成在core server中的,也遵从GPL,
>>>> 任何人当然都可以使用api来构建他们自己的增值功能或是进行修正。
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Those are the facts on this. The interesting topic is of course the one of
>>>> the business model and what the best business model for FOSS software is. I
>>>> hope to cover that in a separate posting.
>>>>
>>>>  - 以上是关于此事的一些事实。有趣的题目当然是与商业模式及什么是对FOSS软件 最好的商业模式。我希望能在另一个帖子里讨论。
>>>>
>>>>  In all of this, you have our undivided continued commitment to providing a
>>>> fantastic and complete MySQL server under GPL for anyone to download and
>>>> use. If we for whatever reason would not do that, we would risk losing users
>>>> to other open source databases or risk seeing a fork of our own product.
>>>> This is the power of open source.
>>>>
>>>>  - 不管怎样,我们将在GPL下为任何人提供优良的完整的MySQL server,您可以下
>>>> 载和使用,这是我们完全的承诺。如果我们背离了这个承诺,我们的用户可能会弃 我们而去,使用其它的开源数据库,或是将产生一个我们自己产品的复制品
>>>> (fork)。这是开源的威力。
>>>>
>>>>  Make sense?
>>>>  - 解释清楚了吗?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Marten
>>>>  previously CEO of MySQL, now SVP at Sun
>>>>  - MySQL前CEO,现Sun SVP
>>>>
>>>>  ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Alex Peng 写道:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     
>>>>       
>>>>> 请耐心看完
>>>>> http://developers.slashdot.org/developers/08/04/16/2337224.shtml
>>>>>
>>>>> 找其中 Marten Mikos 的部分,不幸的是没有被翻译成中文。:(
>>>>> 诸位如果认可他的解释,请广为告知。
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Alex Peng 写道:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>       
>>>>>         
>>>>>> 最原始的link在这里,包括有martin的解释。
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>           
>>>> http://jcole.us/blog/archives/2008/04/14/just-announced-mysql-to-launch-new-features-only-in-mysql-enterprise/
>>>>     
>>>>       
>>>>>> 让我再去打探一番。
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Zoom.Quiet 写道:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>           
>>>>>>> 正是担心这方面的事儿哪...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2008/4/17 Willow <Chengyin.Liu at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>> Sent to you by Willow via Google Reader:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sun开始关闭MySQL部分功能的源代码
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>> http://developers.solidot.org/article.pl?sid=08/04/17/0759217&from;=rss
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>> via Solidot by matrix on 4/17/08
>>>>>>>>  来自MySQL用户大会的消息,Sun宣布、MySQL前CEO Marten
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>               
>>>> Mickos证实,太阳微系统公司将封闭部分MySQL的代码。Sun开始关闭MySQL备份方案的源代码,许多高级功能的代码也将不再开放。当Oracle收购了MySQL使用的数据引擎公司Innodb后,它采用了GPL许可发布,这是否意味着MySQL可能去除它,以引入这些的新特性?Sun在真正的开源方面有着糟糕的历史。
>>>>     
>>>>       
>>>>>>>> Things you can do from here:
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