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From: easthero <easthero在gmail.com>
Date: 2008/5/25
Subject: [shlug] Re: RMS演讲的0~20分钟
To: shlug在googlegroups.com


发信人: Heroon (飞吧), 信区: FreeDevelop
标  题: 教主复旦行
发信站: 水木社区 (Sun May 25 15:29:15 2008), 站内

摘录自日月光华：


发信人: wahj (春梦无痕), 信区: FreeSoftware
标  题: 本次自由软件峰会见闻
发信站: 日月光华 (2008年05月24日21:45:09 星期六), 站内信件

随便写写，莫怪...
//发出来之前删掉2、3、10三段，涉及几个人的负面评价，还是不拿出来了～

1、怕抢不到位置，我去得很早，大约12:25到的。刚好一到就开门了，同之前在等的人
一起进去，这一批大约七八个吧。

4、13:00多一点的时候，徐继哲来了。因为我事先看过哲思和他的个人网站，所以认识
。那时人还不超过20个吧。他扫了一圈，说，怎么才这么一点人啊，放在复旦真是一个
错误啊。旁边交大过来的就说，要是放交大多好。
后来似乎人还是来得蛮多的，大约有七八成的上座率吧。软件学院有组织人来么？

5、因为堵车，rms他们晚来了大约半个小时。

6、赞教主！进来的时候大家狂鼓掌。然后教主大喇喇地往主席台一坐，公然脱鞋脱袜子
光起脚来。然后拿出一台绿色的OLPC，开始自顾自地忙起来了。虽然在视频里面见过他
的这个习惯，还是被shock到了...

7、正式开始。臧斌宇老师先开场，说了他90年自己做一个编译器，做了4年才完成一个
框架，之后才能做后续工作。要是现在做这东西，上网下一个开源软件，花半年就能读
通，后续工作就很早可以做了，云云。话说臧老师在软院确实做了很多有深度的研究工
作，赞一个。

8、臧老师的致辞感觉准备不是很充分，至少这段讲话应该没有成文过。不过作为致辞也
不能苛求太多。胜在简短。

9、下面是Intel的一位工程师李欣开讲，主讲Intel相关的虚拟化技术。虚拟化是现在的
一个学术和工业双重热点，应该说这是一个很讨巧的题目，可惜的是讲得不是很成功。

11、李欣还是镇定地用完了自己的45分钟。感谢他的讲座。

12、下面是一位日本人Akira Urushibata。我想没人试图记住他的名字和其发音吧。-.-
他的中文名字叫漆畑(tian)晶。作为一个中国文化爱好者，带来了一场很有意思中国古
典和自由软件精神的互相阐释的演讲。hack-折-哲-誓，的关联就很有意思。对于我们自
己的文字和文化，我们其实有点"久闻其香，不知其臭"（臭，作气味解，而不是臭味
）的感觉。现在让一个外国人反过来给我们自己解释一些中国文化方面的东西，确实很
有意思。

13、漆畑晶的讲座非常有趣，而且投影中大量中文，也很好理解。他结束的时候，还有
点意犹未尽的感觉。强烈赞～

14、OK，教主上场了。这儿我不想复述教主讲的内容，说一句实话，教主讲的东西和他
20年前的思想基本没什么区别。几个老段子绝对是经久弥新。教主是哲学家和自由软件运
动的精神领袖，其思想是一以贯之的。不会像比尔同学一样，今年来推Vista，明年改推
Windows7。

15、比如教主讲的学校应该用自由软件。他从台湾过来的，所以出现了这个主题的新闻
稿件。我前面转载了。其实很早他就写过这个题目的文章。唯一的新东西就是反Google
docs了吧

16、教主很流利而标准地说出了"自由"和"免费"两个中文词，全场鼓掌。后面还说
了"曹操"。//orz

17、教主今天花了太多的时间在Linux和GNU/Linux的区别上面，约莫有一个小时。汗～

18、教主今天讲了多久？我的录音时间是一个小时又五十二分钟！说实话，听到后面我
都快崩溃了！——被尿憋的。 -.-b

19、教主的演讲没有用投影。但是教主的演讲水平绝对强悍，比如声音、表情、动作等
等，非常有功底，很会调动大家的情绪。毕竟演讲和宣传是他老人家的第一主业了吧。

20、好吧...最后一段教主终于穿上了教袍，带上了老式唱片，过了一把传教瘾。显然这
是一个很好的噱头，全场前涌，从各种角度拍照...

21、从安排来看本来应该有徐继哲的演讲的，可能是考虑时间太晚，他放弃了长篇的演
讲，简单说了几句，开始了提问环节。当然都是冲着教主来的。

22、提问环节，应该说不算成功...大多数人没做过功课，问的问题大多不得要领。教主
还是很有耐心的。

23、居然有一个提问的是从南京赶来的。//orz

24、开始不想提问，中间突然很想问教主女朋友的事情，打的腹稿至少要三层推进：1、
How did you find your GF？2、Could you introduce your GF to us？（这时教主应
该让教主夫人上台啊）3、Do you have the plan of make a family or have a child
？可惜我这堆开始提问的人很多，后面没机会了。残念...

25、不过还是有一位仁兄问了这个问题，可能不知道如何英文说"征婚启事"，用中文
问的，让翻译转达了：你是不是通过征婚启事找到你的女朋友的？教主的回答很艺术：
我们是通过自由软件认识的。

26、教主的女朋友是意大利人，不算年轻。可怜人家一直很落寞地坐在门口的地方。

27、提问之后就是一拥而上的签名了...思哲那本书真想买，可惜身上只带了20块钱，继
续残念...还好我早就准备了一本书，清华出版社影印的《Free as in Freedom》。虽然
不是教主的亲笔，但是也算教主的传记了。排了一会儿，拿到签名。闪人～

28、教主给每个人的都是：Happy Hacking，再加签名～ -.-b

29、关于GPL、GNU、FSF、FreeSoftware，其实文章和文档很多。教主的演讲不会出新，
不过得慕教主天颜还是不虚此行的～

30、总的来说，很赞很成功～感谢这次讲座的组织者，校外的哲思网，校内的软件学院
。谢谢所有的工作人员～

2008/5/25 Zoom. Quiet <zoom.quiet在gmail.com>:
> 2008/5/25 easthero <easthero在gmail.com>:
>> puzhengcai 写道:
>> 昨天赶了几个小时的车程转了两次地铁问了N次路，终于找到了复旦大学新闻学院。现在详细汇报一下哲思自由软件峰会的感受。图片由于没有数码相机，是陌生朋友帮我照了几张，等他传过来我再奉上
>> Razz
>>
> 感谢大家的体验报道!
> 哲思组织峰会,最重要的原因就是给广大自由软件爱好者一个名正言顺的游玩机会! ;)
>
>> 我特地买了自由软件T恤去参加会议，十二点多到的，当时会场人不是太多，等了约半个小时哲思自由软件社区创办人徐继哲来了，也许我是为数不多的穿他们自由软件T恤来的，他看到我就更我打了招呼，我和他握了手，呵呵，终于见到只有在网上见到的自由软件先锋了。我说过会儿能不能和Richard
>> Stallman拍个照，他说当然可以。（很高兴，最后我和他也照了两张，过后奉上）哈哈，今天T恤没白穿啊！
>>
>> 过了一会儿Richard Stallman来了！全场响起热烈的掌声，他和他女友，以及那个日本的Akira
>> Urushibata刚从宾馆赶来，一来到会场以为Richard
>> Stallman会寒暄几句，结果没有，他先是坐下来，打开他的一个包拿出OLPC，很酷（会议结束时大家都上前与他亲密接触，我看看了OLPC用的系统，结果屏幕是像GNU/Linux刚启动时的画面，没有看到菜单之类的图形界面，我想还是算了我反正看不懂，估计他在编程吧）然后Richard
>> Stallman脱下鞋，脱掉袜子，赤着脚在会场那么多人面前一口喝着荼饮料一手用着OLPC，不停的在敲键盘！他什么话也没有，只在弄他的东西！！！很聚精会神！再说说他演讲的时候吧，在中间他突然停了下来，以为是拿什么东西有用，结果他翻开包拿出一包大概是巧克力，哈哈全场的听众都笑了，然后他一边听一边讲他的自由软件！
>> 完了后，他让自由提问！
>>
>> 我争取到了一个提问机会，我想提问什么自由软件之类的是白痴问题，不如来点有气氛的问题。因为我英语很不咱的，又有翻译（听会的有许多一流的专家哈哈），我提问到：
>> Richard Stallman先生你女朋友是不是看到你贴在网上的征求女友的帖子后认识你的？我说就这一个问题，他回答到："Yes,she
>> knows free software."大家都鼓掌欢笑，哈哈，我激动死了，我然后说到：谢谢Richard
>> Stallman先生创造了自由软件，以及所有为自由软件做出贡献的人。由于当时太激动，也是没注意翻译有没有把这话翻译给Richard
>> Stallman，哈哈，不过这不重要了。
>>
>> 大家看完，也许觉得没有图片很遗憾，我过会会尽量补上。
>>
>> 2008/5/25 easthero <easthero在gmail.com>:
>>> 发信人: BetterLife (这个ID不太冷), 信区: Unix
>>> 标  题: Re: 有点同情Intel的那哥们
>>> 发信站: 日月光华 (2008年05月25日19:45:49 星期天)
>>>
>>> 我感到很好笑的场面有：
>>>
>>> 当提意见的人对Intel的那哥们大声疾呼：本次峰会的主题是Free software，不是Open S
>>> ource 的时候，一直埋头写程序的教主突然站立起来象孩子一样鼓掌欢呼。可惜没来得及
>>> 拍摄下来，期待DV。
>>>
>>> 最后教主当面教训Intel的那哥们不该用Windows，搞的演讲者很无奈。
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 9:11 PM, easthero <easthero在gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 发信人: FreePeter (太阳照常升起), 信区: Unix
>>>> 标  题: RMS演讲的0~20分钟
>>>> 发信站: 日月光华 (2008年05月25日14:42:31 星期天)
>>>>
>>>> 整理 by FreePeter
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hello & Happy Hacking (Laugh, Applause)
>>>>
>>>> Society usually teaches people to judge software packages by practical concern
>>>> s only
>>>> is this program convenient,
>>>> is this program reliable,
>>>> is it cheap,
>>>> and to ignore the most important questions:
>>>> if I use this program,
>>>> what does it do to my freedom?
>>>> if I use this program,
>>>> what does it do to the social solidarity of my community?
>>>>
>>>> So people ignore the most important things
>>>> Those questions, are what free software is about,
>>>> free software, means software that respects users' freedom
>>>> it's a matter of freedom, not practice
>>>> when you tranlate it to chinese, you should say "自由", but not "免费"
>>>> (laugh & applause)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> software which is not free software, is user-subjugating software, proprietary
>>>>  software,
>>>> it keeps user divided and helpless
>>>> divided, because everyone is forbidden to share it with everyone else
>>>> and helpless, because the users don't have the source code, so they can't chan
>>>> ge it,
>>>> They can't even verify what it actually doing to them.
>>>>
>>>> However, just saying "I'm in favor of freedom" is too vain, is not specfic
>>>> Even Bush says he's in favor of freedom (Laugh)
>>>> and Bush can recognize freedom even after he's crashed.
>>>> So I need to say sth more specific, more precise.
>>>>
>>>> A program is free software, if it gives the 4 essential freedoms.
>>>> freedom 0, is to run the program as you wish
>>>> freedom 1, is the freedom to study the source code of the program, and change
>>>> it, to make it do what you wish.
>>>> freedom 2, is the freedom to help your neighbour, that's the freedom to make c
>>>> opies, exact copies, and distribute to others, when you wish.
>>>> freedome 3, is the freedom to contribute to your community, that's the freedom
>>>>  to make copies of your modified versions, and distribute them to others when
>>>> you wish. The freedom to distribute copies, includes the freedom to gives them
>>>>  away, and the freedom to sell them, so that hasn't to be 免费, often it is, b
>>>> ut that's not part of the definition, that's because that's just about price a
>>>> nd price isn't the issue here, freedom is the issue here.
>>>>
>>>> So if the program gives you all 4 of the essential freedoms, then it's a free
>>>> software, which means that social system of the distribution and use, is an et
>>>> hical system
>>>> Where we respect freedom, and the social solidairy of our comunity.
>>>>
>>>> but if one of these freedom is missing, or insufficient,
>>>> then it's proprietary software, non-free software, user-subjugating software,
>>>>
>>>> because the social system of the distribution and use is unethical,
>>>> such software should not exist, developing a free software, is a contribution
>>>> to society, big or small, depending on the details, but at least it's going in
>>>>  the good direction.
>>>> but to develop and distribute proprietary program, it's not a contribution to
>>>> society,
>>>> it's a power gramp()  , it's attempting to take power of society,
>>>> if the program has any attractive features,
>>>> those are bait for a trap, and the trap is that you lose your freedom.
>>>> so, the aim of free software movement is, software should be free, users shoul
>>>> d be free. (Applause)
>>>>
>>>> But why are these 4 freedoms essential,
>>>> why divide free software this way? Each freedom has its own reason.
>>>> Freedom 2, the freedom to help your neighbour,
>>>> the freedom to make exact copies and distribute them,
>>>> is essential on fundamental moral grounds.
>>>> so that you can live an upright, ethical life as a good memeber of your commun
>>>> ity.
>>>> if you use a program that doesn't give you freedom No.2,
>>>> you're in danger of falling into a moral dilemma,
>>>> at any moment, whenever your friend says, "that program is nice, could i have
>>>> a copy?"
>>>> at that moment, you will face a choice between 2 evils
>>>> 1 evil, is to give your friend a copy, and violate the licence of the program,
>>>>
>>>> the other evil, is to refuse your friend a copy, and comply with the licence o
>>>> f the program.
>>>> Once in the dilema, you ought to choose the lesser evil,
>>>> which is to give your friend the copy, and violates the licence of the program
>>>>
>>>> what makes this evil the lesser evil?
>>>> well, if you can't avoid doing some kind of wrong to somebody,
>>>> better to do wrong to sb who has done wrong and deserves it.
>>>> like the developer of pro,
>>>> we can assume that your friend is a good friend, a good member of community,
>>>>
>>>> and normally deserves your co-operation,
>>>> of coz, it's a good thing to co-opperate with other people as well.
>>>> but this case, the case where the people is a good people of the comunity, is
>>>> a sharpest case,
>>>> the sharpest contrast, because let's contrast this good member of your comunit
>>>> y with the developer of the proprietary program who has deliberately attacked
>>>> the social solidatry of your comunity, deliberately try to divide you.
>>>> clearly the lesser evil is to do wrong to the developer,
>>>> however, being the lesser evil doesn't mean it's good
>>>> it's never a good thing to make an agreement then to break it.
>>>> now, there're some kind of agreements, that are evil in themselves,
>>>> and keeping them is worse than breaking them,
>>>> and that's an example, but still, breaking is not good
>>>> and if you give your friend a copy, what will we have,
>>>> he will have an unathorized copy of a proprietary program,
>>>> and that's a bad thing, almost as bad as an authorized copy would be.
>>>>
>>>> So what you should really do, when you have thought about this ethical issue,
>>>>
>>>> is to make sure, you're never in this dilemma,
>>>> there're 2 ways to do that,
>>>> 1 is, don't have any friends,
>>>> the distributers of proprietary software implicitly suggest that method
>>>> the other method is , don't use the proprietary software,
>>>> if you don't have a copy, you don't have to worry about what you will say to y
>>>> our friend,
>>>> that's my method, if sb offers me a proprietary program on the condition that
>>>> i promise not to share with you,
>>>> i would tell them no,
>>>> i would say, my conscience doesn't allow me, to make an agreement like that,
>>>>
>>>> a couple of weeks ago, sb give me a computer,
>>>> i went to visit the company, and i was given 1 of their computers
>>>> and when i try to use it,
>>>> the top of screen asking me to accept a licence,
>>>> for some non-free programs,
>>>> i couldn't agree with that,
>>>> so i explain this problem, and i ask if there's anyway i can delete these non-
>>>> free programs, and go past that and skip around that licence page,
>>>> and so far, it's not clear that i can do so, so i may never actually use that
>>>> computer,
>>>> coz i'm not going to accept that licence.
>>>>
>>>> and we must reject the probability against the terms,
>>>> that our enermy's use,
>>>> for instance, what's it mean, when they say, if you share you're pirate,
>>>> what they really tring to say?
>>>> they're trying to say, that helping your neighbour,
>>>> is the moral eqivalent of attacking a ship, to stealing a cargo,
>>>> and nothing could be more false than that,
>>>> because attacking a ship is very very bad,
>>>> but helping your neighbour is the right thing to do,
>>>> so those people are trying to twist up our ideas of right and wrong,
>>>> by using dishonest words,
>>>> we have watched out their dishonest words and rejects them,
>>>> so when sb asks me what do i think of piracy,
>>>> i say that attacking ships is very bad,
>>>> and if someone asks me what i think of software piracy,
>>>> i say as far as i know, pricay these days use guns, but not software.
>>>> well that's the reason for freedom 2, the freedom to help your neighbour, the
>>>> freedom to make exact copies and distribute them to others when you wish
>>>>
>>>> Freedom 0, the freedom to run the program as you wish,
>>>> is essential for different reason,
>>>> so you could control your computing.
>>>> There're proprietary programs whose licence restricted even the use of authori
>>>> zed copies,
>>>> and that's obviously not controlling your computing,
>>>> so that's unacceptable,
>>>> we have to reject programs whose licences restricted how you can run them, or
>>>> for what purpose, or how long, or anything like that.
>>>> because you, have to be in control your own computing.
>>>> but, freedom 0 is not enough.
>>>> because, the developer still controls what you do,
>>>> not through the licence, but through the code, the program.
>>>> so we also need freedom 1, the freedom to study the source code and to change
>>>> it.
>>>> so the program does what you wish,
>>>> this way, you decide, instead of having the developers decided and imposed dec
>>>> isions on you.
>>>> if a program doesn't come with freedom 1,
>>>> you can even tell what's it doing to you.
>>>> and many of these programs do nasty things,
>>>> they have features designed to spy on the user, to restrict the user, even to
>>>> attack the user,
>>>> of coz, spying on the user and restricting the user is not done only by softwa
>>>> re and your computer,
>>>> and it's also done by servers and gateways,
>>>> but that's the different issue,
>>>> if you can't even control your computing on your computer,
>>>> you're totally under the power of the software developers,
>>>> and there malicious features are quite common,
>>>> for instance, many proprietary program spy on the user,
>>>> 1 you may heard of, that spy on user is called MS windows.
>>>> when the users of windows, and i won't say you, because i'm sure you won't use
>>>>  nasty program like this.
>>>> when the users of windows, clicks on the menu feature, to search his own files
>>>>  for a word,
>>>> windows sends a message to MS saying what word you're searching for.
>>>> that's 1 spy feature.
>>>> but there's another, when XP asks for an upgrade,
>>>> it sends MS a message of a list of all the programs on the machine,
>>>> that's another spy feature,
>>>> but are those the only ones?
>>>> we don't know, MS never announced these spy features,
>>>> people find them by investigation,
>>>> so there could be more spy features, that people haven't found yet,
>>>> however, windows isn't the only program that spy on the user,
>>>> WMP does too, in fact, it does total surveillance. it report everything that t
>>>> he user looks at.
>>>> that illustrates today, cooperations try to spy on people just as same as the
>>>> government do,
>>>> most of the world is now under an empire of the magical coperations(???)
>>>> and most governor do whatever the magical coperations(??) tells them to do,
>>>> and this means they're not democratic, and that's bad thing.
>>>> So, WMP spys on users, but, please don't think MS is uniquely evil, that MS
>>>>
>>>> is the only company so nasty that will do this
>>>> because RealPlayer does the same thing,
>>>> and we're almost certain RealPlayer did it first,
>>>> after all, MS is more known for imitation than invetion.
>>>> But malicious feature gets worse than just spying,
>>>> there's also the malicious feature, functionality of refusing to function.
>>>> when the program says, i don't wanna show the contents of this file,
>>>> even though it's in your own computer,
>>>> i don't wanna let you copy part of this file
>>>> even though it's in your own computer,
>>>> i'm not going to print this file for you, coz i don't like you.
>>>> and i wasn't put here to serve you, i was put here to control you.
>>>> i'm not your servant, although i pretend to be,
>>>> i'm actually your prison guard.
>>>>
>>>> now this practice is also know as DRM(Digital Restrictions Management),
>>>> intentionally implemented malicious feature of stopping you from doing things,
>>>>  that sb else doesn't want you to do.
>>>> and many companies do this, for instance MS, apple, google, adobe, sony, amazo
>>>> n does this, and many other.
>>>> and everytime they do this,
>>>> it attacks your freedom, at 2 different levels at once.
>>>> first of all, the purpose of these restrictions, is to attack your freedom,
>>>> it's to stop you from doing things which would otherwise be your legal right,
>>>>
>>>> but the way they do it attacks your freedom at another level,
>>>> because they do it by publishing things in secret formats,
>>>> and that is to make sure we can't write any free software to access those thin
>>>> gs,
>>>> so even to access them in a way permitted, you have to use a non-free program,
>>>>
>>>> and that's also an attack on your freedom,
>>>> 2 attacks on your freedom at the same time,
>>>> because that's so dangerous,
>>>> we urge you never to buy or accept or use any product with DRM,
>>>> unless you personally possess the means to break the DRM.
>>>>
>>>> so far instances, if you have the free software that can read and play a DVD
>>>>
>>>> then it's OK to buy or rent DVDs or accept as gifts,
>>>> but if you don't have that free software,
>>>> you should refuse to accept a DVD,
>>>> there're a few DVDs which are not encrypted
>>>> and they don't post a problem, they don't have the DRM, that's fine, i have a
>>>> few of those,
>>>> i don't have any encrypted DVDs, i reject them.
>>>>




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Pls. usage 7-zip to replace WinRAR/WinZip. http://7-zip.org
You can get the truely Freedom 4 software.

happy hacking guys
unluckly i have courses those days or i'll certainly be there today.
i'm always expecting to see rms and have his signature. anything more?
and r the photos ready? eagerly 2 see them.
Alex

On 5/25/08, Zoom. Quiet <zoom.quiet at gmail.com> wrote:
> 没有前方报道,先从 合众媒体 分享一下...
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: easthero <easthero at gmail.com>
> Date: 2008/5/25
> Subject: [shlug] Re: RMS演讲的0~20分钟
> To: shlug at googlegroups.com
>
>
> 发信人: Heroon (飞吧), 信区: FreeDevelop
> 标  题: 教主复旦行
> 发信站: 水木社区 (Sun May 25 15:29:15 2008), 站内
>
> 摘录自日月光华：
>
>
> 发信人: wahj (春梦无痕), 信区: FreeSoftware
> 标  题: 本次自由软件峰会见闻
> 发信站: 日月光华 (2008年05月24日21:45:09 星期六), 站内信件
>
> 随便写写，莫怪...
> //发出来之前删掉2、3、10三段，涉及几个人的负面评价，还是不拿出来了～
>
> 1、怕抢不到位置，我去得很早，大约12:25到的。刚好一到就开门了，同之前在等的人
> 一起进去，这一批大约七八个吧。
>
> 4、13:00多一点的时候，徐继哲来了。因为我事先看过哲思和他的个人网站，所以认识
> 。那时人还不超过20个吧。他扫了一圈，说，怎么才这么一点人啊，放在复旦真是一个
> 错误啊。旁边交大过来的就说，要是放交大多好。
> 后来似乎人还是来得蛮多的，大约有七八成的上座率吧。软件学院有组织人来么？
>
> 5、因为堵车，rms他们晚来了大约半个小时。
>
> 6、赞教主！进来的时候大家狂鼓掌。然后教主大喇喇地往主席台一坐，公然脱鞋脱袜子
> 光起脚来。然后拿出一台绿色的OLPC，开始自顾自地忙起来了。虽然在视频里面见过他
> 的这个习惯，还是被shock到了...
>
> 7、正式开始。臧斌宇老师先开场，说了他90年自己做一个编译器，做了4年才完成一个
> 框架，之后才能做后续工作。要是现在做这东西，上网下一个开源软件，花半年就能读
> 通，后续工作就很早可以做了，云云。话说臧老师在软院确实做了很多有深度的研究工
> 作，赞一个。
>
> 8、臧老师的致辞感觉准备不是很充分，至少这段讲话应该没有成文过。不过作为致辞也
> 不能苛求太多。胜在简短。
>
> 9、下面是Intel的一位工程师李欣开讲，主讲Intel相关的虚拟化技术。虚拟化是现在的
> 一个学术和工业双重热点，应该说这是一个很讨巧的题目，可惜的是讲得不是很成功。
>
> 11、李欣还是镇定地用完了自己的45分钟。感谢他的讲座。
>
> 12、下面是一位日本人Akira Urushibata。我想没人试图记住他的名字和其发音吧。-.-
> 他的中文名字叫漆畑(tian)晶。作为一个中国文化爱好者，带来了一场很有意思中国古
> 典和自由软件精神的互相阐释的演讲。hack-折-哲-誓，的关联就很有意思。对于我们自
> 己的文字和文化，我们其实有点"久闻其香，不知其臭"（臭，作气味解，而不是臭味
> ）的感觉。现在让一个外国人反过来给我们自己解释一些中国文化方面的东西，确实很
> 有意思。
>
> 13、漆畑晶的讲座非常有趣，而且投影中大量中文，也很好理解。他结束的时候，还有
> 点意犹未尽的感觉。强烈赞～
>
> 14、OK，教主上场了。这儿我不想复述教主讲的内容，说一句实话，教主讲的东西和他
> 20年前的思想基本没什么区别。几个老段子绝对是经久弥新。教主是哲学家和自由软件运
> 动的精神领袖，其思想是一以贯之的。不会像比尔同学一样，今年来推Vista，明年改推
> Windows7。
>
> 15、比如教主讲的学校应该用自由软件。他从台湾过来的，所以出现了这个主题的新闻
> 稿件。我前面转载了。其实很早他就写过这个题目的文章。唯一的新东西就是反Google
> docs了吧
>
> 16、教主很流利而标准地说出了"自由"和"免费"两个中文词，全场鼓掌。后面还说
> 了"曹操"。//orz
>
> 17、教主今天花了太多的时间在Linux和GNU/Linux的区别上面，约莫有一个小时。汗～
>
> 18、教主今天讲了多久？我的录音时间是一个小时又五十二分钟！说实话，听到后面我
> 都快崩溃了！——被尿憋的。 -.-b
>
> 19、教主的演讲没有用投影。但是教主的演讲水平绝对强悍，比如声音、表情、动作等
> 等，非常有功底，很会调动大家的情绪。毕竟演讲和宣传是他老人家的第一主业了吧。
>
> 20、好吧...最后一段教主终于穿上了教袍，带上了老式唱片，过了一把传教瘾。显然这
> 是一个很好的噱头，全场前涌，从各种角度拍照...
>
> 21、从安排来看本来应该有徐继哲的演讲的，可能是考虑时间太晚，他放弃了长篇的演
> 讲，简单说了几句，开始了提问环节。当然都是冲着教主来的。
>
> 22、提问环节，应该说不算成功...大多数人没做过功课，问的问题大多不得要领。教主
> 还是很有耐心的。
>
> 23、居然有一个提问的是从南京赶来的。//orz
>
> 24、开始不想提问，中间突然很想问教主女朋友的事情，打的腹稿至少要三层推进：1、
> How did you find your GF？2、Could you introduce your GF to us？（这时教主应
> 该让教主夫人上台啊）3、Do you have the plan of make a family or have a child
> ？可惜我这堆开始提问的人很多，后面没机会了。残念...
>
> 25、不过还是有一位仁兄问了这个问题，可能不知道如何英文说"征婚启事"，用中文
> 问的，让翻译转达了：你是不是通过征婚启事找到你的女朋友的？教主的回答很艺术：
> 我们是通过自由软件认识的。
>
> 26、教主的女朋友是意大利人，不算年轻。可怜人家一直很落寞地坐在门口的地方。
>
> 27、提问之后就是一拥而上的签名了...思哲那本书真想买，可惜身上只带了20块钱，继
> 续残念...还好我早就准备了一本书，清华出版社影印的《Free as in Freedom》。虽然
> 不是教主的亲笔，但是也算教主的传记了。排了一会儿，拿到签名。闪人～
>
> 28、教主给每个人的都是：Happy Hacking，再加签名～ -.-b
>
> 29、关于GPL、GNU、FSF、FreeSoftware，其实文章和文档很多。教主的演讲不会出新，
> 不过得慕教主天颜还是不虚此行的～
>
> 30、总的来说，很赞很成功～感谢这次讲座的组织者，校外的哲思网，校内的软件学院
> 。谢谢所有的工作人员～
>
> 2008/5/25 Zoom. Quiet <zoom.quiet at gmail.com>:
>> 2008/5/25 easthero <easthero at gmail.com>:
>>> puzhengcai 写道:
>>> 昨天赶了几个小时的车程转了两次地铁问了N次路，终于找到了复旦大学新闻学院。现在详细汇报一下哲思自由软件峰会的感受。图片由于没有数码相机，是陌生朋友帮我照了几张，等他传过来我再奉上
>>> Razz
>>>
>> 感谢大家的体验报道!
>> 哲思组织峰会,最重要的原因就是给广大自由软件爱好者一个名正言顺的游玩机会! ;)
>>
>>> 我特地买了自由软件T恤去参加会议，十二点多到的，当时会场人不是太多，等了约半个小时哲思自由软件社区创办人徐继哲来了，也许我是为数不多的穿他们自由软件T恤来的，他看到我就更我打了招呼，我和他握了手，呵呵，终于见到只有在网上见到的自由软件先锋了。我说过会儿能不能和Richard
>>> Stallman拍个照，他说当然可以。（很高兴，最后我和他也照了两张，过后奉上）哈哈，今天T恤没白穿啊！
>>>
>>> 过了一会儿Richard Stallman来了！全场响起热烈的掌声，他和他女友，以及那个日本的Akira
>>> Urushibata刚从宾馆赶来，一来到会场以为Richard
>>> Stallman会寒暄几句，结果没有，他先是坐下来，打开他的一个包拿出OLPC，很酷（会议结束时大家都上前与他亲密接触，我看看了OLPC用的系统，结果屏幕是像GNU/Linux刚启动时的画面，没有看到菜单之类的图形界面，我想还是算了我反正看不懂，估计他在编程吧）然后Richard
>>> Stallman脱下鞋，脱掉袜子，赤着脚在会场那么多人面前一口喝着荼饮料一手用着OLPC，不停的在敲键盘！他什么话也没有，只在弄他的东西！！！很聚精会神！再说说他演讲的时候吧，在中间他突然停了下来，以为是拿什么东西有用，结果他翻开包拿出一包大概是巧克力，哈哈全场的听众都笑了，然后他一边听一边讲他的自由软件！
>>> 完了后，他让自由提问！
>>>
>>> 我争取到了一个提问机会，我想提问什么自由软件之类的是白痴问题，不如来点有气氛的问题。因为我英语很不咱的，又有翻译（听会的有许多一流的专家哈哈），我提问到：
>>> Richard Stallman先生你女朋友是不是看到你贴在网上的征求女友的帖子后认识你的？我说就这一个问题，他回答到："Yes,she
>>> knows free software."大家都鼓掌欢笑，哈哈，我激动死了，我然后说到：谢谢Richard
>>> Stallman先生创造了自由软件，以及所有为自由软件做出贡献的人。由于当时太激动，也是没注意翻译有没有把这话翻译给Richard
>>> Stallman，哈哈，不过这不重要了。
>>>
>>> 大家看完，也许觉得没有图片很遗憾，我过会会尽量补上。
>>>
>>> 2008/5/25 easthero <easthero at gmail.com>:
>>>> 发信人: BetterLife (这个ID不太冷), 信区: Unix
>>>> 标  题: Re: 有点同情Intel的那哥们
>>>> 发信站: 日月光华 (2008年05月25日19:45:49 星期天)
>>>>
>>>> 我感到很好笑的场面有：
>>>>
>>>> 当提意见的人对Intel的那哥们大声疾呼：本次峰会的主题是Free software，不是Open S
>>>> ource 的时候，一直埋头写程序的教主突然站立起来象孩子一样鼓掌欢呼。可惜没来得及
>>>> 拍摄下来，期待DV。
>>>>
>>>> 最后教主当面教训Intel的那哥们不该用Windows，搞的演讲者很无奈。
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 9:11 PM, easthero <easthero at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 发信人: FreePeter (太阳照常升起), 信区: Unix
>>>>> 标  题: RMS演讲的0~20分钟
>>>>> 发信站: 日月光华 (2008年05月25日14:42:31 星期天)
>>>>>
>>>>> 整理 by FreePeter
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello & Happy Hacking (Laugh, Applause)
>>>>>
>>>>> Society usually teaches people to judge software packages by practical
>>>>> concern
>>>>> s only
>>>>> is this program convenient,
>>>>> is this program reliable,
>>>>> is it cheap,
>>>>> and to ignore the most important questions:
>>>>> if I use this program,
>>>>> what does it do to my freedom?
>>>>> if I use this program,
>>>>> what does it do to the social solidarity of my community?
>>>>>
>>>>> So people ignore the most important things
>>>>> Those questions, are what free software is about,
>>>>> free software, means software that respects users' freedom
>>>>> it's a matter of freedom, not practice
>>>>> when you tranlate it to chinese, you should say "自由", but not "免费"
>>>>> (laugh & applause)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> software which is not free software, is user-subjugating software,
>>>>> proprietary
>>>>>  software,
>>>>> it keeps user divided and helpless
>>>>> divided, because everyone is forbidden to share it with everyone else
>>>>> and helpless, because the users don't have the source code, so they
>>>>> can't chan
>>>>> ge it,
>>>>> They can't even verify what it actually doing to them.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, just saying "I'm in favor of freedom" is too vain, is not
>>>>> specfic
>>>>> Even Bush says he's in favor of freedom (Laugh)
>>>>> and Bush can recognize freedom even after he's crashed.
>>>>> So I need to say sth more specific, more precise.
>>>>>
>>>>> A program is free software, if it gives the 4 essential freedoms.
>>>>> freedom 0, is to run the program as you wish
>>>>> freedom 1, is the freedom to study the source code of the program, and
>>>>> change
>>>>> it, to make it do what you wish.
>>>>> freedom 2, is the freedom to help your neighbour, that's the freedom to
>>>>> make c
>>>>> opies, exact copies, and distribute to others, when you wish.
>>>>> freedome 3, is the freedom to contribute to your community, that's the
>>>>> freedom
>>>>>  to make copies of your modified versions, and distribute them to
>>>>> others when
>>>>> you wish. The freedom to distribute copies, includes the freedom to
>>>>> gives them
>>>>>  away, and the freedom to sell them, so that hasn't to be 免费, often it
>>>>> is, b
>>>>> ut that's not part of the definition, that's because that's just about
>>>>> price a
>>>>> nd price isn't the issue here, freedom is the issue here.
>>>>>
>>>>> So if the program gives you all 4 of the essential freedoms, then it's
>>>>> a free
>>>>> software, which means that social system of the distribution and use,
>>>>> is an et
>>>>> hical system
>>>>> Where we respect freedom, and the social solidairy of our comunity.
>>>>>
>>>>> but if one of these freedom is missing, or insufficient,
>>>>> then it's proprietary software, non-free software, user-subjugating
>>>>> software,
>>>>>
>>>>> because the social system of the distribution and use is unethical,
>>>>> such software should not exist, developing a free software, is a
>>>>> contribution
>>>>> to society, big or small, depending on the details, but at least it's
>>>>> going in
>>>>>  the good direction.
>>>>> but to develop and distribute proprietary program, it's not a
>>>>> contribution to
>>>>> society,
>>>>> it's a power gramp()  , it's attempting to take power of society,
>>>>> if the program has any attractive features,
>>>>> those are bait for a trap, and the trap is that you lose your freedom.
>>>>> so, the aim of free software movement is, software should be free,
>>>>> users shoul
>>>>> d be free. (Applause)
>>>>>
>>>>> But why are these 4 freedoms essential,
>>>>> why divide free software this way? Each freedom has its own reason.
>>>>> Freedom 2, the freedom to help your neighbour,
>>>>> the freedom to make exact copies and distribute them,
>>>>> is essential on fundamental moral grounds.
>>>>> so that you can live an upright, ethical life as a good memeber of your
>>>>> commun
>>>>> ity.
>>>>> if you use a program that doesn't give you freedom No.2,
>>>>> you're in danger of falling into a moral dilemma,
>>>>> at any moment, whenever your friend says, "that program is nice, could
>>>>> i have
>>>>> a copy?"
>>>>> at that moment, you will face a choice between 2 evils
>>>>> 1 evil, is to give your friend a copy, and violate the licence of the
>>>>> program,
>>>>>
>>>>> the other evil, is to refuse your friend a copy, and comply with the
>>>>> licence o
>>>>> f the program.
>>>>> Once in the dilema, you ought to choose the lesser evil,
>>>>> which is to give your friend the copy, and violates the licence of the
>>>>> program
>>>>>
>>>>> what makes this evil the lesser evil?
>>>>> well, if you can't avoid doing some kind of wrong to somebody,
>>>>> better to do wrong to sb who has done wrong and deserves it.
>>>>> like the developer of pro,
>>>>> we can assume that your friend is a good friend, a good member of
>>>>> community,
>>>>>
>>>>> and normally deserves your co-operation,
>>>>> of coz, it's a good thing to co-opperate with other people as well.
>>>>> but this case, the case where the people is a good people of the
>>>>> comunity, is
>>>>> a sharpest case,
>>>>> the sharpest contrast, because let's contrast this good member of your
>>>>> comunit
>>>>> y with the developer of the proprietary program who has deliberately
>>>>> attacked
>>>>> the social solidatry of your comunity, deliberately try to divide you.
>>>>> clearly the lesser evil is to do wrong to the developer,
>>>>> however, being the lesser evil doesn't mean it's good
>>>>> it's never a good thing to make an agreement then to break it.
>>>>> now, there're some kind of agreements, that are evil in themselves,
>>>>> and keeping them is worse than breaking them,
>>>>> and that's an example, but still, breaking is not good
>>>>> and if you give your friend a copy, what will we have,
>>>>> he will have an unathorized copy of a proprietary program,
>>>>> and that's a bad thing, almost as bad as an authorized copy would be.
>>>>>
>>>>> So what you should really do, when you have thought about this ethical
>>>>> issue,
>>>>>
>>>>> is to make sure, you're never in this dilemma,
>>>>> there're 2 ways to do that,
>>>>> 1 is, don't have any friends,
>>>>> the distributers of proprietary software implicitly suggest that method
>>>>> the other method is , don't use the proprietary software,
>>>>> if you don't have a copy, you don't have to worry about what you will
>>>>> say to y
>>>>> our friend,
>>>>> that's my method, if sb offers me a proprietary program on the
>>>>> condition that
>>>>> i promise not to share with you,
>>>>> i would tell them no,
>>>>> i would say, my conscience doesn't allow me, to make an agreement like
>>>>> that,
>>>>>
>>>>> a couple of weeks ago, sb give me a computer,
>>>>> i went to visit the company, and i was given 1 of their computers
>>>>> and when i try to use it,
>>>>> the top of screen asking me to accept a licence,
>>>>> for some non-free programs,
>>>>> i couldn't agree with that,
>>>>> so i explain this problem, and i ask if there's anyway i can delete
>>>>> these non-
>>>>> free programs, and go past that and skip around that licence page,
>>>>> and so far, it's not clear that i can do so, so i may never actually
>>>>> use that
>>>>> computer,
>>>>> coz i'm not going to accept that licence.
>>>>>
>>>>> and we must reject the probability against the terms,
>>>>> that our enermy's use,
>>>>> for instance, what's it mean, when they say, if you share you're
>>>>> pirate,
>>>>> what they really tring to say?
>>>>> they're trying to say, that helping your neighbour,
>>>>> is the moral eqivalent of attacking a ship, to stealing a cargo,
>>>>> and nothing could be more false than that,
>>>>> because attacking a ship is very very bad,
>>>>> but helping your neighbour is the right thing to do,
>>>>> so those people are trying to twist up our ideas of right and wrong,
>>>>> by using dishonest words,
>>>>> we have watched out their dishonest words and rejects them,
>>>>> so when sb asks me what do i think of piracy,
>>>>> i say that attacking ships is very bad,
>>>>> and if someone asks me what i think of software piracy,
>>>>> i say as far as i know, pricay these days use guns, but not software.
>>>>> well that's the reason for freedom 2, the freedom to help your
>>>>> neighbour, the
>>>>> freedom to make exact copies and distribute them to others when you
>>>>> wish
>>>>>
>>>>> Freedom 0, the freedom to run the program as you wish,
>>>>> is essential for different reason,
>>>>> so you could control your computing.
>>>>> There're proprietary programs whose licence restricted even the use of
>>>>> authori
>>>>> zed copies,
>>>>> and that's obviously not controlling your computing,
>>>>> so that's unacceptable,
>>>>> we have to reject programs whose licences restricted how you can run
>>>>> them, or
>>>>> for what purpose, or how long, or anything like that.
>>>>> because you, have to be in control your own computing.
>>>>> but, freedom 0 is not enough.
>>>>> because, the developer still controls what you do,
>>>>> not through the licence, but through the code, the program.
>>>>> so we also need freedom 1, the freedom to study the source code and to
>>>>> change
>>>>> it.
>>>>> so the program does what you wish,
>>>>> this way, you decide, instead of having the developers decided and
>>>>> imposed dec
>>>>> isions on you.
>>>>> if a program doesn't come with freedom 1,
>>>>> you can even tell what's it doing to you.
>>>>> and many of these programs do nasty things,
>>>>> they have features designed to spy on the user, to restrict the user,
>>>>> even to
>>>>> attack the user,
>>>>> of coz, spying on the user and restricting the user is not done only by
>>>>> softwa
>>>>> re and your computer,
>>>>> and it's also done by servers and gateways,
>>>>> but that's the different issue,
>>>>> if you can't even control your computing on your computer,
>>>>> you're totally under the power of the software developers,
>>>>> and there malicious features are quite common,
>>>>> for instance, many proprietary program spy on the user,
>>>>> 1 you may heard of, that spy on user is called MS windows.
>>>>> when the users of windows, and i won't say you, because i'm sure you
>>>>> won't use
>>>>>  nasty program like this.
>>>>> when the users of windows, clicks on the menu feature, to search his
>>>>> own files
>>>>>  for a word,
>>>>> windows sends a message to MS saying what word you're searching for.
>>>>> that's 1 spy feature.
>>>>> but there's another, when XP asks for an upgrade,
>>>>> it sends MS a message of a list of all the programs on the machine,
>>>>> that's another spy feature,
>>>>> but are those the only ones?
>>>>> we don't know, MS never announced these spy features,
>>>>> people find them by investigation,
>>>>> so there could be more spy features, that people haven't found yet,
>>>>> however, windows isn't the only program that spy on the user,
>>>>> WMP does too, in fact, it does total surveillance. it report everything
>>>>> that t
>>>>> he user looks at.
>>>>> that illustrates today, cooperations try to spy on people just as same
>>>>> as the
>>>>> government do,
>>>>> most of the world is now under an empire of the magical
>>>>> coperations(???)
>>>>> and most governor do whatever the magical coperations(??) tells them to
>>>>> do,
>>>>> and this means they're not democratic, and that's bad thing.
>>>>> So, WMP spys on users, but, please don't think MS is uniquely evil,
>>>>> that MS
>>>>>
>>>>> is the only company so nasty that will do this
>>>>> because RealPlayer does the same thing,
>>>>> and we're almost certain RealPlayer did it first,
>>>>> after all, MS is more known for imitation than invetion.
>>>>> But malicious feature gets worse than just spying,
>>>>> there's also the malicious feature, functionality of refusing to
>>>>> function.
>>>>> when the program says, i don't wanna show the contents of this file,
>>>>> even though it's in your own computer,
>>>>> i don't wanna let you copy part of this file
>>>>> even though it's in your own computer,
>>>>> i'm not going to print this file for you, coz i don't like you.
>>>>> and i wasn't put here to serve you, i was put here to control you.
>>>>> i'm not your servant, although i pretend to be,
>>>>> i'm actually your prison guard.
>>>>>
>>>>> now this practice is also know as DRM(Digital Restrictions Management),
>>>>> intentionally implemented malicious feature of stopping you from doing
>>>>> things,
>>>>>  that sb else doesn't want you to do.
>>>>> and many companies do this, for instance MS, apple, google, adobe,
>>>>> sony, amazo
>>>>> n does this, and many other.
>>>>> and everytime they do this,
>>>>> it attacks your freedom, at 2 different levels at once.
>>>>> first of all, the purpose of these restrictions, is to attack your
>>>>> freedom,
>>>>> it's to stop you from doing things which would otherwise be your legal
>>>>> right,
>>>>>
>>>>> but the way they do it attacks your freedom at another level,
>>>>> because they do it by publishing things in secret formats,
>>>>> and that is to make sure we can't write any free software to access
>>>>> those thin
>>>>> gs,
>>>>> so even to access them in a way permitted, you have to use a non-free
>>>>> program,
>>>>>
>>>>> and that's also an attack on your freedom,
>>>>> 2 attacks on your freedom at the same time,
>>>>> because that's so dangerous,
>>>>> we urge you never to buy or accept or use any product with DRM,
>>>>> unless you personally possess the means to break the DRM.
>>>>>
>>>>> so far instances, if you have the free software that can read and play
>>>>> a DVD
>>>>>
>>>>> then it's OK to buy or rent DVDs or accept as gifts,
>>>>> but if you don't have that free software,
>>>>> you should refuse to accept a DVD,
>>>>> there're a few DVDs which are not encrypted
>>>>> and they don't post a problem, they don't have the DRM, that's fine, i
>>>>> have a
>>>>> few of those,
>>>>> i don't have any encrypted DVDs, i reject them.
>>>>>
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