2008年05月25日 星期日 21:21
2008/5/25 easthero <easthero在gmail.com>: > puzhengcai 写道: > 昨天赶了几个小时的车程转了两次地铁问了N次路,终于找到了复旦大学新闻学院。现在详细汇报一下哲思自由软件峰会的感受。图片由于没有数码相机,是陌生朋友帮我照了几张,等他传过来我再奉上 > Razz > 感谢大家的体验报道! 哲思组织峰会,最重要的原因就是给广大自由软件爱好者一个名正言顺的游玩机会! ;) > 我特地买了自由软件T恤去参加会议,十二点多到的,当时会场人不是太多,等了约半个小时哲思自由软件社区创办人徐继哲来了,也许我是为数不多的穿他们自由软件T恤来的,他看到我就更我打了招呼,我和他握了手,呵呵,终于见到只有在网上见到的自由软件先锋了。我说过会儿能不能和Richard > Stallman拍个照,他说当然可以。(很高兴,最后我和他也照了两张,过后奉上)哈哈,今天T恤没白穿啊! > > 过了一会儿Richard Stallman来了!全场响起热烈的掌声,他和他女友,以及那个日本的Akira > Urushibata刚从宾馆赶来,一来到会场以为Richard > Stallman会寒暄几句,结果没有,他先是坐下来,打开他的一个包拿出OLPC,很酷(会议结束时大家都上前与他亲密接触,我看看了OLPC用的系统,结果屏幕是像GNU/Linux刚启动时的画面,没有看到菜单之类的图形界面,我想还是算了我反正看不懂,估计他在编程吧)然后Richard > Stallman脱下鞋,脱掉袜子,赤着脚在会场那么多人面前一口喝着荼饮料一手用着OLPC,不停的在敲键盘!他什么话也没有,只在弄他的东西!!!很聚精会神!再说说他演讲的时候吧,在中间他突然停了下来,以为是拿什么东西有用,结果他翻开包拿出一包大概是巧克力,哈哈全场的听众都笑了,然后他一边听一边讲他的自由软件! > 完了后,他让自由提问! > > 我争取到了一个提问机会,我想提问什么自由软件之类的是白痴问题,不如来点有气氛的问题。因为我英语很不咱的,又有翻译(听会的有许多一流的专家哈哈),我提问到: > Richard Stallman先生你女朋友是不是看到你贴在网上的征求女友的帖子后认识你的?我说就这一个问题,他回答到:"Yes,she > knows free software."大家都鼓掌欢笑,哈哈,我激动死了,我然后说到:谢谢Richard > Stallman先生创造了自由软件,以及所有为自由软件做出贡献的人。由于当时太激动,也是没注意翻译有没有把这话翻译给Richard > Stallman,哈哈,不过这不重要了。 > > 大家看完,也许觉得没有图片很遗憾,我过会会尽量补上。 > > 2008/5/25 easthero <easthero在gmail.com>: >> 发信人: BetterLife (这个ID不太冷), 信区: Unix >> 标 题: Re: 有点同情Intel的那哥们 >> 发信站: 日月光华 (2008年05月25日19:45:49 星期天) >> >> 我感到很好笑的场面有: >> >> 当提意见的人对Intel的那哥们大声疾呼:本次峰会的主题是Free software,不是Open S >> ource 的时候,一直埋头写程序的教主突然站立起来象孩子一样鼓掌欢呼。可惜没来得及 >> 拍摄下来,期待DV。 >> >> 最后教主当面教训Intel的那哥们不该用Windows,搞的演讲者很无奈。 >> >> >> On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 9:11 PM, easthero <easthero在gmail.com> wrote: >>> 发信人: FreePeter (太阳照常升起), 信区: Unix >>> 标 题: RMS演讲的0~20分钟 >>> 发信站: 日月光华 (2008年05月25日14:42:31 星期天) >>> >>> 整理 by FreePeter >>> >>> >>> Hello & Happy Hacking (Laugh, Applause) >>> >>> Society usually teaches people to judge software packages by practical concern >>> s only >>> is this program convenient, >>> is this program reliable, >>> is it cheap, >>> and to ignore the most important questions: >>> if I use this program, >>> what does it do to my freedom? >>> if I use this program, >>> what does it do to the social solidarity of my community? >>> >>> So people ignore the most important things >>> Those questions, are what free software is about, >>> free software, means software that respects users' freedom >>> it's a matter of freedom, not practice >>> when you tranlate it to chinese, you should say "自由", but not "免费" >>> (laugh & applause) >>> >>> >>> software which is not free software, is user-subjugating software, proprietary >>> software, >>> it keeps user divided and helpless >>> divided, because everyone is forbidden to share it with everyone else >>> and helpless, because the users don't have the source code, so they can't chan >>> ge it, >>> They can't even verify what it actually doing to them. >>> >>> However, just saying "I'm in favor of freedom" is too vain, is not specfic >>> Even Bush says he's in favor of freedom (Laugh) >>> and Bush can recognize freedom even after he's crashed. >>> So I need to say sth more specific, more precise. >>> >>> A program is free software, if it gives the 4 essential freedoms. >>> freedom 0, is to run the program as you wish >>> freedom 1, is the freedom to study the source code of the program, and change >>> it, to make it do what you wish. >>> freedom 2, is the freedom to help your neighbour, that's the freedom to make c >>> opies, exact copies, and distribute to others, when you wish. >>> freedome 3, is the freedom to contribute to your community, that's the freedom >>> to make copies of your modified versions, and distribute them to others when >>> you wish. The freedom to distribute copies, includes the freedom to gives them >>> away, and the freedom to sell them, so that hasn't to be 免费, often it is, b >>> ut that's not part of the definition, that's because that's just about price a >>> nd price isn't the issue here, freedom is the issue here. >>> >>> So if the program gives you all 4 of the essential freedoms, then it's a free >>> software, which means that social system of the distribution and use, is an et >>> hical system >>> Where we respect freedom, and the social solidairy of our comunity. >>> >>> but if one of these freedom is missing, or insufficient, >>> then it's proprietary software, non-free software, user-subjugating software, >>> >>> because the social system of the distribution and use is unethical, >>> such software should not exist, developing a free software, is a contribution >>> to society, big or small, depending on the details, but at least it's going in >>> the good direction. >>> but to develop and distribute proprietary program, it's not a contribution to >>> society, >>> it's a power gramp() , it's attempting to take power of society, >>> if the program has any attractive features, >>> those are bait for a trap, and the trap is that you lose your freedom. >>> so, the aim of free software movement is, software should be free, users shoul >>> d be free. (Applause) >>> >>> But why are these 4 freedoms essential, >>> why divide free software this way? Each freedom has its own reason. >>> Freedom 2, the freedom to help your neighbour, >>> the freedom to make exact copies and distribute them, >>> is essential on fundamental moral grounds. >>> so that you can live an upright, ethical life as a good memeber of your commun >>> ity. >>> if you use a program that doesn't give you freedom No.2, >>> you're in danger of falling into a moral dilemma, >>> at any moment, whenever your friend says, "that program is nice, could i have >>> a copy?" >>> at that moment, you will face a choice between 2 evils >>> 1 evil, is to give your friend a copy, and violate the licence of the program, >>> >>> the other evil, is to refuse your friend a copy, and comply with the licence o >>> f the program. >>> Once in the dilema, you ought to choose the lesser evil, >>> which is to give your friend the copy, and violates the licence of the program >>> >>> what makes this evil the lesser evil? >>> well, if you can't avoid doing some kind of wrong to somebody, >>> better to do wrong to sb who has done wrong and deserves it. >>> like the developer of pro, >>> we can assume that your friend is a good friend, a good member of community, >>> >>> and normally deserves your co-operation, >>> of coz, it's a good thing to co-opperate with other people as well. >>> but this case, the case where the people is a good people of the comunity, is >>> a sharpest case, >>> the sharpest contrast, because let's contrast this good member of your comunit >>> y with the developer of the proprietary program who has deliberately attacked >>> the social solidatry of your comunity, deliberately try to divide you. >>> clearly the lesser evil is to do wrong to the developer, >>> however, being the lesser evil doesn't mean it's good >>> it's never a good thing to make an agreement then to break it. >>> now, there're some kind of agreements, that are evil in themselves, >>> and keeping them is worse than breaking them, >>> and that's an example, but still, breaking is not good >>> and if you give your friend a copy, what will we have, >>> he will have an unathorized copy of a proprietary program, >>> and that's a bad thing, almost as bad as an authorized copy would be. >>> >>> So what you should really do, when you have thought about this ethical issue, >>> >>> is to make sure, you're never in this dilemma, >>> there're 2 ways to do that, >>> 1 is, don't have any friends, >>> the distributers of proprietary software implicitly suggest that method >>> the other method is , don't use the proprietary software, >>> if you don't have a copy, you don't have to worry about what you will say to y >>> our friend, >>> that's my method, if sb offers me a proprietary program on the condition that >>> i promise not to share with you, >>> i would tell them no, >>> i would say, my conscience doesn't allow me, to make an agreement like that, >>> >>> a couple of weeks ago, sb give me a computer, >>> i went to visit the company, and i was given 1 of their computers >>> and when i try to use it, >>> the top of screen asking me to accept a licence, >>> for some non-free programs, >>> i couldn't agree with that, >>> so i explain this problem, and i ask if there's anyway i can delete these non- >>> free programs, and go past that and skip around that licence page, >>> and so far, it's not clear that i can do so, so i may never actually use that >>> computer, >>> coz i'm not going to accept that licence. >>> >>> and we must reject the probability against the terms, >>> that our enermy's use, >>> for instance, what's it mean, when they say, if you share you're pirate, >>> what they really tring to say? >>> they're trying to say, that helping your neighbour, >>> is the moral eqivalent of attacking a ship, to stealing a cargo, >>> and nothing could be more false than that, >>> because attacking a ship is very very bad, >>> but helping your neighbour is the right thing to do, >>> so those people are trying to twist up our ideas of right and wrong, >>> by using dishonest words, >>> we have watched out their dishonest words and rejects them, >>> so when sb asks me what do i think of piracy, >>> i say that attacking ships is very bad, >>> and if someone asks me what i think of software piracy, >>> i say as far as i know, pricay these days use guns, but not software. >>> well that's the reason for freedom 2, the freedom to help your neighbour, the >>> freedom to make exact copies and distribute them to others when you wish >>> >>> Freedom 0, the freedom to run the program as you wish, >>> is essential for different reason, >>> so you could control your computing. >>> There're proprietary programs whose licence restricted even the use of authori >>> zed copies, >>> and that's obviously not controlling your computing, >>> so that's unacceptable, >>> we have to reject programs whose licences restricted how you can run them, or >>> for what purpose, or how long, or anything like that. >>> because you, have to be in control your own computing. >>> but, freedom 0 is not enough. >>> because, the developer still controls what you do, >>> not through the licence, but through the code, the program. >>> so we also need freedom 1, the freedom to study the source code and to change >>> it. >>> so the program does what you wish, >>> this way, you decide, instead of having the developers decided and imposed dec >>> isions on you. >>> if a program doesn't come with freedom 1, >>> you can even tell what's it doing to you. >>> and many of these programs do nasty things, >>> they have features designed to spy on the user, to restrict the user, even to >>> attack the user, >>> of coz, spying on the user and restricting the user is not done only by softwa >>> re and your computer, >>> and it's also done by servers and gateways, >>> but that's the different issue, >>> if you can't even control your computing on your computer, >>> you're totally under the power of the software developers, >>> and there malicious features are quite common, >>> for instance, many proprietary program spy on the user, >>> 1 you may heard of, that spy on user is called MS windows. >>> when the users of windows, and i won't say you, because i'm sure you won't use >>> nasty program like this. >>> when the users of windows, clicks on the menu feature, to search his own files >>> for a word, >>> windows sends a message to MS saying what word you're searching for. >>> that's 1 spy feature. >>> but there's another, when XP asks for an upgrade, >>> it sends MS a message of a list of all the programs on the machine, >>> that's another spy feature, >>> but are those the only ones? >>> we don't know, MS never announced these spy features, >>> people find them by investigation, >>> so there could be more spy features, that people haven't found yet, >>> however, windows isn't the only program that spy on the user, >>> WMP does too, in fact, it does total surveillance. it report everything that t >>> he user looks at. >>> that illustrates today, cooperations try to spy on people just as same as the >>> government do, >>> most of the world is now under an empire of the magical coperations(???) >>> and most governor do whatever the magical coperations(??) tells them to do, >>> and this means they're not democratic, and that's bad thing. >>> So, WMP spys on users, but, please don't think MS is uniquely evil, that MS >>> >>> is the only company so nasty that will do this >>> because RealPlayer does the same thing, >>> and we're almost certain RealPlayer did it first, >>> after all, MS is more known for imitation than invetion. >>> But malicious feature gets worse than just spying, >>> there's also the malicious feature, functionality of refusing to function. >>> when the program says, i don't wanna show the contents of this file, >>> even though it's in your own computer, >>> i don't wanna let you copy part of this file >>> even though it's in your own computer, >>> i'm not going to print this file for you, coz i don't like you. >>> and i wasn't put here to serve you, i was put here to control you. >>> i'm not your servant, although i pretend to be, >>> i'm actually your prison guard. >>> >>> now this practice is also know as DRM(Digital Restrictions Management), >>> intentionally implemented malicious feature of stopping you from doing things, >>> that sb else doesn't want you to do. >>> and many companies do this, for instance MS, apple, google, adobe, sony, amazo >>> n does this, and many other. >>> and everytime they do this, >>> it attacks your freedom, at 2 different levels at once. >>> first of all, the purpose of these restrictions, is to attack your freedom, >>> it's to stop you from doing things which would otherwise be your legal right, >>> >>> but the way they do it attacks your freedom at another level, >>> because they do it by publishing things in secret formats, >>> and that is to make sure we can't write any free software to access those thin >>> gs, >>> so even to access them in a way permitted, you have to use a non-free program, >>> >>> and that's also an attack on your freedom, >>> 2 attacks on your freedom at the same time, >>> because that's so dangerous, >>> we urge you never to buy or accept or use any product with DRM, >>> unless you personally possess the means to break the DRM. >>> >>> so far instances, if you have the free software that can read and play a DVD >>> >>> then it's OK to buy or rent DVDs or accept as gifts, >>> but if you don't have that free software, >>> you should refuse to accept a DVD, >>> there're a few DVDs which are not encrypted >>> and they don't post a problem, they don't have the DRM, that's fine, i have a >>> few of those, >>> i don't have any encrypted DVDs, i reject them. >>> >> > -- '''过程改进乃是催生可促生靠谱的人的组织! PE keeps evolving organizations which promoting people be good! '''http://zoomquiet.org Pls. usage OOo to replace M$ Office. http://zh.openoffice.org Pls. usage 7-zip to replace WinRAR/WinZip. http://7-zip.org You can get the truely Freedom 4 software.
2008年05月26日 星期一 12:01
2008/5/25 Zoom. Quiet <zoom.quiet在gmail.com>: > 2008/5/25 easthero <easthero在gmail.com>: >> puzhengcai 写道: >> Urushibata刚从宾馆赶来,一来到会场以为Richard >> Stallman会寒暄几句,结果没有,他先是坐下来,打开他的一个包拿出OLPC,很酷(会议结束时大家都上前与他亲密接触,我看看了OLPC用的系统,结果屏幕是像GNU/Linux刚启动时的画面,没有看到菜单之类的图形界面,我想还是算了我反正看不懂,估计他在编程吧)然后Richard [...snip...] 相信那个是GNU Emacs.
2008年05月26日 星期一 12:11
2008/5/26 Qiangning Hong <hongqn在gmail.com>: > 2008/5/25 Zoom. Quiet <zoom.quiet在gmail.com>: >> 2008/5/25 easthero <easthero在gmail.com>: >>> puzhengcai 写道: >>> Urushibata刚从宾馆赶来,一来到会场以为Richard >>> Stallman会寒暄几句,结果没有,他先是坐下来,打开他的一个包拿出OLPC,很酷(会议结束时大家都上前与他亲密接触,我看看了OLPC用的系统,结果屏幕是像GNU/Linux刚启动时的画面,没有看到菜单之类的图形界面,我想还是算了我反正看不懂,估计他在编程吧)然后Richard > > [...snip...] > > 相信那个是GNU Emacs. > OLPC 上好象难以安装这种重型环境的... -- '''过程改进乃是催生可促生靠谱的人的组织! PE keeps evolving organizations which promoting people be good! '''http://zoomquiet.org Pls. usage OOo to replace M$ Office. http://zh.openoffice.org Pls. usage 7-zip to replace WinRAR/WinZip. http://7-zip.org You can get the truely Freedom 4 software.
2008年05月26日 星期一 12:41
2008/5/26 Zoom. Quiet <zoom.quiet在gmail.com>: > 2008/5/26 Qiangning Hong <hongqn在gmail.com>: >> 相信那个是GNU Emacs. >> > OLPC 上好象难以安装这种重型环境的... 好像是可以的: http://www.olpclaptophacks.com/2008/03/17/installing-emacs/ -- Qiangning Hong http://www.douban.com/people/hongqn/
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