2008年10月11日 星期六 10:55
开源软件就应该是自由软件吧 On 10/11/08, zeuux-universe-request在zeuux.org < zeuux-universe-request在zeuux.org> wrote: > > 想在 zeuux-universe 邮件列表发言,请写信给: > zeuux-universe在zeuux.org > > 要订阅或者退订列表,可以访问万维网地址: > http://www.zeuux.org/mailman/listinfo/zeuux-universe > 或者可以向: > zeuux-universe-request在zeuux.org > 发送主题或者正文为'help'的邮件。 > > 您可以通过邮件地址: > zeuux-universe-owner在zeuux.org > 联系到此列表的管理员。 > > 当回信时,请给一个适当的标题,这样会比 "Re: > Contents of zeuux-universe digest..."更清楚明白。 > > > 本日主题: > > 1. Re: [XiYouLinux] Re: Python Pinyin Search (Jianjun Kong) > 2. Re: [XiYouLinux] Re: Python Pinyin Search (vvoody) > 3. Re: 开源软件是自由软件的市场宣传计划 > (blackjack xu) > 4. Re: 开源软件是自由软件的市场宣传计划 (Zoom.Quiet) > 5. Re: 开源软件是自由软件的市场宣传计划 (Yongwei Wu) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 22:47:36 +0800 > From: Jianjun Kong <kongjianjun在gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [zeuux-universe] [XiYouLinux] Re: Python Pinyin Search > To: 高伟 <2008gaowei在gmail.com> > Cc: Xiyou-Linux-Group <xiyoulinux在googlegroups.com>, 西电Linux > <xidian_linux在googlegroups.com>, 哲思自由软件社区 > <zeuux-universe在zeuux.org>, zeuux-python < > zeuux-python在zeuux.org> > Message-ID: <20081010144736.GA5975在ubuntu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 10:22:55PM +0800, 高伟 wrote: > > > > > >2008/10/10 Jianjun Kong <kongjianjun在gmail.com> > > > > On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 07:10:11PM +0800, vvoody wrote: > > >2008/10/10 Jianjun Kong <kongjianjun在gmail.com> > > > Python Pinyin Searcher > > > > > > 一、软件信息 > > > 软件名:Python Pinyin Searcher (pysearcher) > > > 软件作者:孔建军(西邮Linux) > > > 软件描述:用Python语言开发的一款,图形界面的汉字拼音查询工具。 > > > 软件下载:http://kongove.cn/down/prog/pysearcher.tar.gz > > > 针对用户:学习汉语拼音的外国朋友 > > > > > > > > >下载后的 > >[gaowei在localhost pysearcher]$ ls > >pinyin.txt pinyin_x2.py > >[gaowei在localhost pysearcher]$ chmod +x pinyin_x2.py > >[gaowei在localhost pysearcher]$ python pinyin_x2.py > >Traceback (most recent call last): > > File "pinyin_x2.py", line 4, in> > import wx > >ImportError: No module named wx > >[gaowei在localhost pysearcher]$ > > 你需要安装 wxPython图形库 > (python-wxgtk2.6 python-wxtools python-wxversion) > > 我也在考虑如何让没有安装图形库的用户使用~ > > > > > >nice~ > > >建议,来张 screenshot 吧 ;-) > > > > (图片这里有 http://www.kongove.cn/blog/?p=283) > > >>咦?你是刚放进去的?为啥我刚才看的时候没看到一张图片呢? > > To vvoody: 一直有呀。下载文件里使用说明上也有图片. > > -- > Jianjun Kong | Happy Hacking > HomePage: http://kongove.cn > Gtalk: kongjianjun在gmail.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 22:52:04 +0800 > From: vvoody <wxj.g.sh在gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [zeuux-universe] [XiYouLinux] Re: Python Pinyin Search > To: "Jianjun Kong" <kongjianjun在gmail.com> > Cc: 高伟 <2008gaowei在gmail.com>, Xiyou-Linux-Group > <xiyoulinux在googlegroups.com>, 西电Linux > <xidian_linux在googlegroups.com>, 哲思自由软件社区 > <zeuux-universe在zeuux.org>, zeuux-python < > zeuux-python在zeuux.org> > Message-ID: > <21f703120810100752r347ae43awd599bde40c92da42在mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" > > 2008/10/10 Jianjun Kong <kongjianjun在gmail.com> > > > On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 10:22:55PM +0800, 高伟 wrote: > > > > >>咦?你是刚放进去的?为啥我刚才看的时候没看到一张图片呢? > > > > To vvoody: 一直有呀。下载文件里使用说明上也有图片. > > > > 哦,那就是我自己的问题了。 > -- > Free as freedom, slack as Slackware. > vvoody > -------------- 下一部分 -------------- > 一个HTML附件被移除... > URL: < > http://www.zeuux.org/pipermail/zeuux-universe/attachments/20081010/6858295d/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:45:45 +0800 > From: "blackjack xu" <blackjack.xu在gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [zeuux-universe] > 开源软件是自由软件的市场宣传计划 > To: "Yongwei Wu" <wuyongwei在gmail.com> > Cc: "Zoom. Quiet" <zoom.quiet在gmail.com>, 17LAMP在googlegroups.com, > 哲思讨论区 <zeuux-universe在zeuux.org> > Message-ID: > <889df83e0810100945m568dc2bdp529ea021b9b972c6在mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" > > 有人整天高调,标榜自己的自由软件,偏偏自己在用开源软件混饭吃. > Python is Open > > The Python implementation is under an open source license that makes it > *freely > usable and distributable, even for commercial use*. The Python > license<http://www.python.org/psf/license/>is administered by the > Python > Software Foundation <http://www.python.org/psf/>. > From: http://www.python.org/about/ > > -Jack > > 2008/10/10 Yongwei Wu <wuyongwei在gmail.com> > > > 2008/10/10 Zoom. Quiet <zoom.quiet在gmail.com>: > > > 2008/10/10 Yongwei Wu <wuyongwei在gmail.com>: > > >> 在看Producing Open Source Software一书时读到了这些内容: > > >> > > > 这是开源的软文,和自由软件没有关系 > > > > 你凭什么这么说?说话要有根据。 > > > > 即使真是软文,也不等于里面说的是错的。我没看到里面违反事实的地方。如果 > > 你觉得里面说错了,可以逐条驳斥。请不要用贴标签的方法进行辩论。 > > > > 我再一次强调以下事实,绝大多数的"开源软件"是自由软件。事实上,没有一 > > 个著名的开源软件不满足自由软件的定义。这一条如果是错的,应当相当容易驳 > > 斥。你只需要找出一个反例即可证否我的观点。 > > > > >> The Open Source Initiative is a marketing program for free software. > > >> It's a pitch for "free software" on solid pragmatic grounds rather > > >> than ideological tub-thumping. The winning substance has not changed, > > >> the losing attitude and symbolism have. ... > > >> > > >> The case that needs to be made to most techies isn't about the concept > > >> of open source, but the name. Why not call it, as we traditionally > > >> have, free software? > > >> > > >> One direct reason is that the term "free software" is easily > > >> misunderstood in ways that lead to conflict. ... > > >> > > >> But the real reason for the re-labeling is a marketing one. We're > > >> trying to pitch our concept to the corporate world now. We have a > > >> winning product, but our positioning, in the past, has been awful. The > > >> term "free software" has been misunderstood by business persons, who > > >> mistake the desire to share with anti-commercialism, or worse, theft. > > >> > > >> Mainstream corporate CEOs and CTOs will never buy "free software." But > > >> if we take the very same tradition, the same people, and the same > > >> free-software licenses and change the label to "open source" ? that, > > >> they'll buy. > > >> > > >> Some hackers find this hard to believe, but that's because they're > > >> techies who think in concrete, substantial terms and don't understand > > >> how important image is when you're selling something. > > >> > > >> In marketing, appearance is reality. The appearance that we're willing > > >> to climb down off the barricades and work with the corporate world > > >> counts for as much as the reality of our behavior, our convictions, > > >> and our software. > > >> > > >> (from http://opensource.feratech.com/advocacy/faq.php and > > >> > http://opensource.feratech.com/advocacy/case_for_hackers.php#marketing) > > > > -- > > Wu Yongwei > > URL: http://wyw.dcweb.cn/ > > _______________________________________________ > > zeuux-universe mailing list > > zeuux-universe在zeuux.org > > http://www.zeuux.org/mailman/listinfo/zeuux-universe > > > > ZEUUX Project - Free Software, Free Society! > > http://www.zeuux.org > > > > > > -- > 打造HTTP://WWW.17LAMP.NET海派开源潮流社区 > -------------- 下一部分 -------------- > 一个HTML附件被移除... > URL: < > http://www.zeuux.org/pipermail/zeuux-universe/attachments/20081011/b7d19826/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 07:59:03 +0800 > From: Zoom.Quiet <zoom.quiet在gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [zeuux-universe] > 开源软件是自由软件的市场宣传计划 > To: "blackjack xu" <blackjack.xu在gmail.com> > Cc: 17LAMP在googlegroups.com, 哲思讨论区 > <zeuux-universe在zeuux.org> > Message-ID: > <9dad9f0a0810101659g5b46b0cflc6eb4bbeca5c592c在mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > 2008/10/11 blackjack xu <blackjack.xu在gmail.com>: > > 有人整天高调,标榜自己的自由软件,偏偏自己在用开源软件混饭吃. > > > 咔咔咔,这和高调与否没有关系吧? > 这和你代码的许可证选择有关,和使用什么软件有关系嘛? > 当然你选择了专有技术平台是没招的了,,, > > 这是基础概念吧,怎么海派的总将这核心概念着意混淆呢? > > > Python is Open > > > > The Python implementation is under an open source license that makes it > > freely usable and distributable, even for commercial use. The Python > license > > is administered by the Python Software Foundation. > > > > From: http://www.python.org/about/ > > > > -Jack > > > > 2008/10/10 Yongwei Wu <wuyongwei在gmail.com> > >> > >> 2008/10/10 Zoom. Quiet <zoom.quiet在gmail.com>: > >> > 2008/10/10 Yongwei Wu <wuyongwei在gmail.com>: > >> >> 在看Producing Open Source Software一书时读到了这些内容: > >> >> > >> > 这是开源的软文,和自由软件没有关系 > >> > >> 你凭什么这么说?说话要有根据。 > >> > >> 即使真是软文,也不等于里面说的是错的。我没看到里面违反事实的地方。如果 > >> 你觉得里面说错了,可以逐条驳斥。请不要用贴标签的方法进行辩论。 > >> > >> 我再一次强调以下事实,绝大多数的"开源软件"是自由软件。事实上,没有一 > >> 个著名的开源软件不满足自由软件的定义。这一条如果是错的,应当相当容易驳 > >> 斥。你只需要找出一个反例即可证否我的观点。 > >> > > MySQL ,,,, > > -- > http://zoomquiet.org''' > 过程改进乃是催生可促生靠谱的人的组织! > PE keeps evolving organizations which promoting people be good!''' > [HR]金山软件常年招聘大量Py/C++人才! > https://groups.google.com/group/python-cn/web/ot-py-c > 简历直投俺就好;-) > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 10:48:26 +0800 > From: "Yongwei Wu" <wuyongwei在gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [zeuux-universe] > 开源软件是自由软件的市场宣传计划 > To: "Zoom. Quiet" <zoom.quiet在gmail.com> > Cc: 哲思讨论区 <zeuux-universe在zeuux.org>, > 17LAMP在googlegroups.com > Message-ID: > <8eeef57f0810101948u6533cae1w8125ac084a0e052d在mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=GB2312 > > 2008/10/11 Zoom. Quiet <zoom.quiet在gmail.com>: > >>> >> 在看Producing Open Source Software一书时读到了这些内容: > >>> >> > >>> > 这是开源的软文,和自由软件没有关系 > >>> > >>> 你凭什么这么说?说话要有根据。 > >>> > >>> 即使真是软文,也不等于里面说的是错的。我没看到里面违反事实的地方。如果 > >>> 你觉得里面说错了,可以逐条驳斥。请不要用贴标签的方法进行辩论。 > >>> > >>> 我再一次强调以下事实,绝大多数的"开源软件"是自由软件。事实上,没有一 > >>> 个著名的开源软件不满足自由软件的定义。这一条如果是错的,应当相当容易驳 > >>> 斥。你只需要找出一个反例即可证否我的观点。 > >>> > > > > MySQL ,,,, > > MySQL是GPL发布的,当然是自由软件。如果你指的是其商业版本的话,其许可也不满足开源软件的定义。 > > -- > Wu Yongwei > URL: http://wyw.dcweb.cn/ > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > zeuux-universe mailing list > zeuux-universe在zeuux.org > http://www.zeuux.org/mailman/listinfo/zeuux-universe > > ZEUUX Project - Free Software, Free Society! > http://www.zeuux.org > > 结束zeuux-universe 摘要, 卷 14, 发布 23 > ********************************************** > -------------- 下一部分 -------------- 一个HTML附件被移除... URL: <http://www.zeuux.org/pipermail/zeuux-universe/attachments/20081011/eb38fc81/attachment-0001.html>
2008年10月11日 星期六 12:40
2008/10/11 潘飞 <cnweike在gmail.com>: > 开源软件就应该是自由软件吧 > > On 10/11/08, zeuux-universe-request在zeuux.org > <zeuux-universe-request在zeuux.org> wrote: >> >> 想在 zeuux-universe 邮件列表发言,请写信给: >> zeuux-universe在zeuux.org >> >> 要订阅或者退订列表,可以访问万维网地址: >> http://www.zeuux.org/mailman/listinfo/zeuux-universe >> 或者可以向: >> zeuux-universe-request在zeuux.org >> 发送主题或者正文为'help'的邮件。 >> >> 您可以通过邮件地址: >> zeuux-universe-owner在zeuux.org >> 联系到此列表的管理员。 >> >> 当回信时,请给一个适当的标题,这样会比 "Re: >> Contents of zeuux-universe digest..."更清楚明白。 请看清上面的这两行。自己麻烦一点点,可以给别人带来方便,也方便你自己更有效地参加讨论。 -- Wu Yongwei URL: http://wyw.dcweb.cn/
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