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标题:Re: Re: [python-chinese] Re: 我们需要的是整合,而不是分裂。

2005年07月21日 星期四 08:02

Spirit Auding auding at gmail.com
Thu Jul 21 08:02:41 HKT 2005

梅先生颇有些当年实业救国派的风范……
佩服佩服!

On 7/21/05, alongrun <catchbug at 163.com> wrote:
> 
> 有些项目带头来提高国内python方面的影响力---同意
> 只要产品有前景,慢慢能够积累起人气。
> 这些还需要各位高手仔细分析。
> 
> 
> 
> ======= 2005-07-20 22:30:54 您在来信中写道:=======
> 
> >我倒是觉得,需要真正有些项目带头来提高国内python方面的影响力.这个也是我发起Python-QQ的原因,是先发展在革命,
> 还是先革命再发展.这个问题我想没有太大必要争论,作好自己的事情,切实为中国的python事业作出贡献,就已经足够了.
> >
> >另外使用python的人可能很多,但是真正把它当做一门语言来学习,作为自己的事业来发展的还是很少.道远而任重.
> >
> >在 05-7-19,Alex.Jao<jao.alex at gmail.com> 写道:
> >> 我也注册了,用户名alex,我是新手,请大哥、大姐们多多提协!!!
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: python-chinese-bounces at lists.python.cn
> >> [mailto:python-chinese-bounces at lists.python.cn] On Behalf Of limodou
> >> Sent: 2005年7月19日 15:44
> >> To: python-chinese at lists.python.cn
> >> Subject: Re: [python-chinese] Re: 我们需要的是整合,而不是分裂。
> >>
> >> 我已经注册成功了。用户名 limodou
> >>
> >> 在 05-7-19,limodou<limodou at gmail.com> 写道:
> >> > ???我还以为装在python.cn上了呢。
> >> >
> >> > 2005/7/19, Gary Jia <gary at exoweb.net>:
> >> > > http://www.woodpecker.org.cn/CPUG/join_form
> >> > >
> >> > > On 二, 2005-07-19 at 15:35 +0800, limodou wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > 完整的链接是什么呀?
> >> > >
> >> > > 在 05-7-19,nEO<gentoo.cn at gmail.com> 写道:
> >> > > > 居然有不能注册的?
> >> > > > 倒是经常见到人讨论如何把注册/join_form去掉呀
> >> > > >
> >> > > > 2005/7/19, Gary Jia <gary at exoweb.net>:
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > 可以了,在左边的登录表单下面有一个连接:"新用户?"。
> >> > > > > 点击即可注册。
> >> > > > > On 二, 2005-07-19 at 14:24 +0800, Zoom Quiet wrote:
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > ???
> >> > > > > 唉呀呀??没有注意到…………
> >> > > > > 我是新建的一个Plone site,
> >> > > > > 怎么着?看这意思要设置什么东西才能开放注册的?
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > 谁知道先吼一声………………
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > 在 05-7-19,张骏<zhangj at foreseen-info.com> 写道:
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > 嘿嘿。上面没有注册连接啊,要人肉输入
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > 另外,俺是不是第一个注册的啊
> >> > > > > > ----------------------- Original Message 
> -----------------------
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > From: Zoom Quiet <zoom.quiet at gmail.com>
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > To: Qiangning Hong <hongqn at gmail.com>,
> >> > > > > python-chinese at lists.python.cn, "Python.cn at google"
> >> > > > <python-cn at googlegroups.com>,
> >> > > > > CPUG at googlegroups.com
> >> > > > > > Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 13:07:33 +0800
> >> > > > > > Subject: Re: [python-chinese] Re: 我们需要的是整合,而不是分裂。
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------
> >> > > > > > > 咳咳咳!
> >> > > > > > > 快速创立!
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > http://www.woodpecker.org.cn/CPUG/
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > 可怜的 IE ! 看到的 logo 背景就不是透明的好象………………
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > > 谁要管理?自个儿注册后涛乙簧;
> >> > > > > > > 我就先指定一下, 开始定制吧…………
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > 嗬嗬…………真是迫不及待哪…………
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > 在 05-7-19,Qiangning Hong<hongqn at gmail.com> 写道:
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > 同意。这样各地的兄弟都可以进来看了。
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > 等到有其他地域的PUG起来后,可以在信件标题上注明[BPUG]标明是北
> >> 京相关帖子
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > On 7/19/05, limodou <limodou at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > 那可以保cpug,bpug的去了得了。
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > 在 05-7-19,Qiangning Hong<
> >> > > > > hongqn at gmail.com> 写道:
> >> > > > > > > > > > On 7/19/05, 张骏 <zhangj at foreseen-info.com
> >> > > > > > wrote:
> >> > > > > > > > > > > googlegroups 支持email客户端吗?
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > 支持,选择Email模式即可。
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > CPUG和Python-chinese能同步吗?
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > 这个恐怕不能自动同步。
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > 邮件列表太多了也不是好事。发帖子都麻烦啊
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > 我觉得CPUG的邮件列表和python-chinese邮件列表应该有不同的功
> >> 能。
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > CPUG的邮件应主要集中在活动组织和讨论上,而python-chinese应该是一个技术交
> >> 流空间。一般信件应该没必要两边都发,需要cross-posting的应该就是活动通知了。
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > 邮件列表还是要专list专用,太繁杂了不好,用起来也不方便。
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > 目前功能相重合的也就是python-chinese at lists.python.cn> >> limodou建的
> >> > > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > python-cn at googlegroups.com了。limodou建的这个列表是为python-chinese做备
> >> 份的,但是不是邮件备份,而是当python-chinese当掉时可以接着讨论的备份。
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > 邮件备份有google和gmane.org帮我们存着,
> >> > > > > 应该不用担心哪天没了的。
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > --
> >> > > > > > > > > > Qiangning Hong
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > I'm usually annoyed by IDEs because, for instance, 
> they
> >> don't
> >> > > > use VIM
> >> > > > > > > > > > as an editor. Since I'm hooked to that, all IDEs I've 
> used
> >> so
> >> > > > far have
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > failed to impress me.
> >> > > > > > > > > > -- Sybren Stuvel @ c.l.python
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > Get Firefox! <
> >> > > > >
> >> > > http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id;=67907&t;=1>
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > _______________________________________________
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > python-chinese list
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > python-chinese at lists.python.cn
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > http://python.cn/mailman/listinfo/python-chinese
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > --
> >> > > > > > > > > I like python!
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > My Donews Blog: http://www.donews.net/limodou
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > New Google Maillist:
> >> > > > http://groups-beta.google.com/group/python-cn
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> >> > > > > > > > > python-chinese list
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > python-chinese at lists.python.cn
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > http://python.cn/mailman/listinfo/python-chinese
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > --
> >> > > > > > > > Qiangning Hong
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > I'm usually annoyed by IDEs because, for instance, they 
> don't
> >> use
> >> > > > VIM
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > as an editor. Since I'm hooked to that, all IDEs I've 
> used so
> >> far
> >> > > > have
> >> > > > > > > > failed to impress me.
> >> > > > > > > > -- Sybren Stuvel @
> >> > > > > c.l.python
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > Get Firefox! <
> >> > > > >
> >> > > http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id;=67907&t;=1>
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > python-chinese list
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > python-chinese at lists.python.cn
> >> > > > > > > > http://python.cn/mailman/listinfo/python-chinese
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > > --
> >> > > > > > > [Time is unimportant, only life important!]
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > --------------------- Original Message Ends 
> --------------------
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> >> > > > > > python-chinese list
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > python-chinese at lists.python.cn
> >> > > > > > http://python.cn/mailman/listinfo/python-chinese
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > _______________________________________________
> >> > > > > python-chinese list
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > python-chinese at lists.python.cn
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > http://python.cn/mailman/listinfo/python-chinese
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > _______________________________________________
> >> > > > > python-chinese list
> >> > > > > python-chinese at lists.python.cn
> >> > > > > http://python.cn/mailman/listinfo/python-chinese
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > --
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I'm the one, powered by nEO
> >> > > > _______________________________________________
> >> > > > python-chinese list
> >> > > > python-chinese at lists.python.cn
> >> > > > http://python.cn/mailman/listinfo/python-chinese
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > _______________________________________________
> >> > > python-chinese list
> >> > > python-chinese at lists.python.cn
> >> > > http://python.cn/mailman/listinfo/python-chinese
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > I like python!
> >> > My Donews Blog: http://www.donews.net/limodou
> >> > New Google Maillist: http://groups-beta.google.com/group/python-cn
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> I like python!
> >> My Donews Blog: http://www.donews.net/limodou
> >> New Google Maillist: http://groups-beta.google.com/group/python-cn
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> python-chinese list
> >> python-chinese at lists.python.cn
> >> http://python.cn/mailman/listinfo/python-chinese
> >>
> >
> >
> >--
> >梅劲松
> >_______________________________________________
> >python-chinese list
> >python-chinese at lists.python.cn
> >http://python.cn/mailman/listinfo/python-chinese
> >
> 
> = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
> 
> 
>> 礼!
> 
> 
> alongrun
> catchbug at 163.com
> 2005-07-21
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> python-chinese list
> python-chinese at lists.python.cn
> http://python.cn/mailman/listinfo/python-chinese
> 
> 
> 


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2005年07月21日 星期四 09:33

nicran nicran at gmail.com
Thu Jul 21 09:33:29 HKT 2005

把python当作事业?那事业也太小了吧!python只不过是一把斧头,一个镰刀而已。

在 05-7-21,Spirit Auding<auding at gmail.com> 写道:
> 梅先生颇有些当年实业救国派的风范……
> 佩服佩服!
> 
> 
> On 7/21/05, alongrun <catchbug at 163.com> wrote:
> > 
> > 有些项目带头来提高国内python方面的影响力---同意
> > 只要产品有前景,慢慢能够积累起人气。
> > 这些还需要各位高手仔细分析。
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ======= 2005-07-20 22:30:54 您在来信中写道:=======
> > 
> >
> >我倒是觉得,需要真正有些项目带头来提高国内python方面的影响力.这个也是我发起Python-QQ的原因,是先发展在革命,还是先革命再发展.这个问题我想没有太大必要争论
> ,作好自己的事情,切实为中国的python事业作出贡献,就已经足够了.
> > >
> > >另外使用python的人可能很多,但是真正把它当做一门语言来学习,作为自己的事业来发展的还是很少.道远而任重.
> > >
> > >在 05-7-19,Alex.Jao<jao.alex at gmail.com> 写道:
> > >> 我也注册了,用户名alex,我是新手,请大哥、大姐们多多提协!!! 
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: python-chinese-bounces at lists.python.cn
> > >> [mailto: python-chinese-bounces at lists.python.cn] On
> Behalf Of limodou
> > >> Sent: 2005年7月19日 15:44
> > >> To: python-chinese at lists.python.cn
> > >> Subject: Re: [python-chinese] Re: 我们需要的是整合,而不是分裂。 
> > >>
> > >> 我已经注册成功了。用户名 limodou
> > >>
> > >> 在 05-7-19,limodou<limodou at gmail.com> 写道:
> > >> > ???我还以为装在python.cn上了呢。
> > >> >
> > >> > 2005/7/19, Gary Jia < gary at exoweb.net>:
> > >> > >  http://www.woodpecker.org.cn/CPUG/join_form
> > >> > >
> > >> > >  On 二, 2005-07-19 at 15:35 +0800, limodou wrote: 
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > 完整的链接是什么呀?
> > >> > >
> > >> > > 在 05-7-19,nEO<gentoo.cn at gmail.com> 写道:
> > >> > > > 居然有不能注册的? 
> > >> > > > 倒是经常见到人讨论如何把注册/join_form去掉呀
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > 2005/7/19, Gary Jia <gary at exoweb.net>:
> > >> > > > > 
> > >> > > > > 可以了,在左边的登录表单下面有一个连接:"新用户?"。
> > >> > > > > 点击即可注册。
> > >> > > > > On 二, 2005-07-19 at 14:24 +0800, Zoom Quiet wrote:
> > >> > > > > 
> > >> > > > > ???
> > >> > > > > 唉呀呀??没有注意到…………
> > >> > > > > 我是新建的一个Plone site,
> > >> > > > > 怎么着?看这意思要设置什么东西才能开放注册的?
> > >> > > > > 
> > >> > > > > 谁知道先吼一声………………
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > 在 05-7-19,张骏<zhangj at foreseen-info.com> 写道:
> > >> > > > > 
> > >> > > > > > 嘿嘿。上面没有注册连接啊,要人肉输入
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > 另外,俺是不是第一个注册的啊
> > >> > > > > > ----------------------- Original Message
> ----------------------- 
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > > From: Zoom Quiet <zoom.quiet at gmail.com>
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > > To: Qiangning Hong < hongqn at gmail.com>,
> > >> > > > > python-chinese at lists.python.cn, "Python.cn at google"
> > >> > > > < python-cn at googlegroups.com>,
> > >> > > > > CPUG at googlegroups.com
> > >> > > > > > Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 13:07:33 +0800 
> > >> > > > > > Subject: Re: [python-chinese] Re: 我们需要的是整合,而不是分裂。
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> > >> > > > > > > 咳咳咳!
> > >> > > > > > > 快速创立!
> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > http://www.woodpecker.org.cn/CPUG/ 
> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > 可怜的 IE ! 看到的 logo 背景就不是透明的好象………………
> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > 谁要管理?自个儿注册后涛乙簧; 
> > >> > > > > > > 我就先指定一下, 开始定制吧…………
> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > 嗬嗬…………真是迫不及待哪…………
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > 
> > >> > > > > > > 在 05-7-19,Qiangning Hong<hongqn at gmail.com> 写道:
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > 同意。这样各地的兄弟都可以进来看了。 
> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > 等到有其他地域的PUG起来后,可以在信件标题上注明[BPUG]标明是北
> > >> 京相关帖子
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > 
> > >> > > > > > > > On 7/19/05, limodou <limodou at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > 那可以保cpug,bpug的去了得了。 
> > >> > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > 在 05-7-19,Qiangning Hong<
> > >> > > > > hongqn at gmail.com> 写道: 
> > >> > > > > > > > > > On 7/19/05, 张骏 <zhangj at foreseen-info.com
> > >> > > > > > wrote:
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > googlegroups 支持email客户端吗? 
> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > 支持,选择Email模式即可。
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > CPUG和Python-chinese能同步吗?
> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > 这个恐怕不能自动同步。 
> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > 邮件列表太多了也不是好事。发帖子都麻烦啊
> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > 
> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> 我觉得CPUG的邮件列表和python-chinese邮件列表应该有不同的功
> > >> 能。
> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > CPUG的邮件应主要集中在活动组织和讨论上,而python-chinese应该是一个技术交 
> > >> 流空间。一般信件应该没必要两边都发,需要cross-posting的应该就是活动通知了。
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > 邮件列表还是要专list专用,太繁杂了不好,用起来也不方便。 
> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > 目前功能相重合的也就是python-chinese at lists.python.cn> > >> limodou建的
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> python-cn at googlegroups.com了。limodou建的这个列表是为python-chinese做备
> > >> 份的,但是不是邮件备份,而是当python-chinese当掉时可以接着讨论的备份。 
> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > 邮件备份有google和gmane.org帮我们存着,
> > >> > > > > 应该不用担心哪天没了的。
> > >> > > > > > > > > > 
> > >> > > > > > > > > > --
> > >> > > > > > > > > > Qiangning Hong
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > 
> > >> > > > > > > > > > I'm usually annoyed by IDEs because, for instance,
> they
> > >> don't
> > >> > > > use VIM
> > >> > > > > > > > > > as an editor. Since I'm hooked to that, all IDEs I've
> used 
> > >> so
> > >> > > > far have
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > failed to impress me.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > -- Sybren Stuvel @ c.l.python
> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > Get Firefox! <
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > >
> http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id;=67907&t;=1>
> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > 
> > >> > > _______________________________________________
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > python-chinese list
> > >> > > > > > > > > > 
> > >> > > > > python-chinese at lists.python.cn
> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > >
> http://python.cn/mailman/listinfo/python-chinese
> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > 
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > --
> > >> > > > > > > > > I like python! 
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > My Donews Blog: http://www.donews.net/limodou
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > New Google Maillist: 
> > >> > > > http://groups-beta.google.com/group/python-cn
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > >
> _______________________________________________
> > >> > > > > > > > > python-chinese list
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > python-chinese at lists.python.cn
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > http://python.cn/mailman/listinfo/python-chinese
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > 
> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > --
> > >> > > > > > > > Qiangning Hong 
> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > I'm usually annoyed by IDEs because, for instance, they
> don't
> > >> use
> > >> > > > VIM
> > >> > > > > 
> > >> > > > > > > > as an editor. Since I'm hooked to that, all IDEs I've
> used so
> > >> far
> > >> > > > have
> > >> > > > > > > > failed to impress me. 
> > >> > > > > > > > -- Sybren Stuvel @
> > >> > > > > c.l.python
> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > Get Firefox! < 
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > >
> http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id;=67907&t;=1>
> > >> > > > > > > > 
> > >> > > > > > > >
> _______________________________________________
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > python-chinese list
> > >> > > > > > > > 
> > >> > > > > python-chinese at lists.python.cn
> > >> > > > > > > >
> http://python.cn/mailman/listinfo/python-chinese
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > 
> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > --
> > >> > > > > > > [Time is unimportant, only life important!] 
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > --------------------- Original Message Ends
> --------------------
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > >
> _______________________________________________ 
> > >> > > > > > python-chinese list
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > python-chinese at lists.python.cn
> > >> > > > > >
> http://python.cn/mailman/listinfo/python-chinese
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > 
> > >> > > > >
> _______________________________________________
> > >> > > > > python-chinese list
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > python-chinese at lists.python.cn
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > >
> http://python.cn/mailman/listinfo/python-chinese
> > >> > > > > 
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > >
> _______________________________________________
> > >> > > > > python-chinese list
> > >> > > > > python-chinese at lists.python.cn
> > >> > > > >
> http://python.cn/mailman/listinfo/python-chinese
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > 
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > --
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > I'm the one, powered by nEO 
> > >> > > > _______________________________________________
> > >> > > > python-chinese list
> > >> > > > python-chinese at lists.python.cn 
> > >> > > > http://python.cn/mailman/listinfo/python-chinese
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > 
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > _______________________________________________
> > >> > > python-chinese list
> > >> > > python-chinese at lists.python.cn
> > >> > > http://python.cn/mailman/listinfo/python-chinese
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > 
> > >> >
> > >> > --
> > >> > I like python!
> > >> > My Donews Blog: http://www.donews.net/limodou
> > >> > New Google Maillist:
> http://groups-beta.google.com/group/python-cn
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> I like python!
> > >> My Donews Blog: http://www.donews.net/limodou 
> > >> New Google Maillist:
> http://groups-beta.google.com/group/python-cn
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> python-chinese list 
> > >> python-chinese at lists.python.cn
> > >> http://python.cn/mailman/listinfo/python-chinese
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >--
> > >梅劲松
> > >_______________________________________________
> > >python-chinese list
> > >python-chinese at lists.python.cn
> > >http://python.cn/mailman/listinfo/python-chinese
> > >
> > 
> > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
> > 
> > 
> > 致
> > 礼!
> > 
> > 
> > alongrun
> > catchbug at 163.com
> > 2005-07-21
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > python-chinese list
> > python-chinese at lists.python.cn
> > http://python.cn/mailman/listinfo/python-chinese
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> #############################################
> #    "your future depends on your dreams." so go to sleep. 
> #    save water. shower with your girlfriend.
> #
> #    Welcom2 : http//blog.csdn.net/auding1900/
> ############################################# 
> _______________________________________________
> python-chinese list
> python-chinese at lists.python.cn
> http://python.cn/mailman/listinfo/python-chinese
> 
> 
>

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2005年07月21日 星期四 10:33

March Liu march.liu at gmail.com
Thu Jul 21 10:33:07 HKT 2005

Python为什么不能当作事业,当年还有拿Basic当作事业的呢,那老兄的奋斗目标无非就是做一个可以放在4096字节空间的Basic……
松下电器是卖插座开始的,Nokia是砍木头起家的,事业无大小,谋事在人,成事在天。何况现在Python是动态语言新贵,连MS和IBM这样的巨头都对它另眼相看,再当Python是小玩意也太后知后觉了。

在05-7-21,nicran <nicran at gmail.com> 写道:
> 
> 把python当作事业?那事业也太小了吧!python只不过是一把斧头,一个镰刀而已。
> 
> 在 05-7-21,Spirit Auding<auding at gmail.com> 写道:
> > 梅先生颇有些当年实业救国派的风范……
> > 佩服佩服!
> >
> >
> > On 7/21/05, alongrun <catchbug at 163.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > 有些项目带头来提高国内python方面的影响力---同意
> > > 只要产品有前景,慢慢能够积累起人气。
> > > 这些还需要各位高手仔细分析。
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ======= 2005-07-20 22:30:54 您在来信中写道:=======
> > >
> > >
> > >我倒是觉得,需要真正有些项目带头来提高国内python方面的影响力.这个也是我发起Python-QQ的原因,是先发展在革命,
> 还是先革命再发展.这个问题我想没有太大必要争论
> > ,作好自己的事情,切实为中国的python事业作出贡献,就已经足够了.
> > > >
> > > >另外使用python的人可能很多,但是真正把它当做一门语言来学习,作为自己的事业来发展的还是很少.道远而任重.
> > > >
> > > >在 05-7-19,Alex.Jao<jao.alex at gmail.com> 写道:
> > > >> 我也注册了,用户名alex,我是新手,请大哥、大姐们多多提协!!!
> > > >>
> > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > >> From: python-chinese-bounces at lists.python.cn
> > > >> [mailto: python-chinese-bounces at lists.python.cn] On
> > Behalf Of limodou
> > > >> Sent: 2005年7月19日 15:44
> > > >> To: python-chinese at lists.python.cn
> > > >> Subject: Re: [python-chinese] Re: 我们需要的是整合,而不是分裂。
> > > >>
> > > >> 我已经注册成功了。用户名 limodou
> > > >>
> > > >> 在 05-7-19,limodou<limodou at gmail.com> 写道:
> > > >> > ???我还以为装在python.cn上了呢。
> > > >> >
> > > >> > 2005/7/19, Gary Jia < gary at exoweb.net>:
> > > >> > > http://www.woodpecker.org.cn/CPUG/join_form
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > On 二, 2005-07-19 at 15:35 +0800, limodou wrote:
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > 完整的链接是什么呀?
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > 在 05-7-19,nEO<gentoo.cn at gmail.com> 写道:
> > > >> > > > 居然有不能注册的?
> > > >> > > > 倒是经常见到人讨论如何把注册/join_form去掉呀
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > 2005/7/19, Gary Jia <gary at exoweb.net>:
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > 可以了,在左边的登录表单下面有一个连接:"新用户?"。
> > > >> > > > > 点击即可注册。
> > > >> > > > > On 二, 2005-07-19 at 14:24 +0800, Zoom Quiet wrote:
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > ???
> > > >> > > > > 唉呀呀??没有注意到…………
> > > >> > > > > 我是新建的一个Plone site,
> > > >> > > > > 怎么着?看这意思要设置什么东西才能开放注册的?
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > 谁知道先吼一声………………
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > 在 05-7-19,张骏<zhangj at foreseen-info.com> 写道:
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > 嘿嘿。上面没有注册连接啊,要人肉输入
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > 另外,俺是不是第一个注册的啊
> > > >> > > > > > ----------------------- Original Message
> > -----------------------
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > From: Zoom Quiet <zoom.quiet at gmail.com>
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > To: Qiangning Hong < hongqn at gmail.com>,
> > > >> > > > > python-chinese at lists.python.cn, "Python.cn at google"
> > > >> > > > < python-cn at googlegroups.com>,
> > > >> > > > > CPUG at googlegroups.com
> > > >> > > > > > Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 13:07:33 +0800
> > > >> > > > > > Subject: Re: [python-chinese] Re: 我们需要的是整合,而不是分裂。
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >> > > > > > > 咳咳咳!
> > > >> > > > > > > 快速创立!
> > > >> > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > http://www.woodpecker.org.cn/CPUG/
> > > >> > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > 可怜的 IE ! 看到的 logo 背景就不是透明的好象………………
> > > >> > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > 谁要管理?自个儿注册后涛乙簧;
> > > >> > > > > > > 我就先指定一下, 开始定制吧…………
> > > >> > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > 嗬嗬…………真是迫不及待哪…………
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > 在 05-7-19,Qiangning Hong<hongqn at gmail.com> 写道:
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > 同意。这样各地的兄弟都可以进来看了。
> > > >> > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > 等到有其他地域的PUG起来后,可以在信件标题上注明[BPUG]标明是北
> > > >> 京相关帖子
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > On 7/19/05, limodou <limodou at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > > 那可以保cpug,bpug的去了得了。
> > > >> > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > > 在 05-7-19,Qiangning Hong<
> > > >> > > > > hongqn at gmail.com> 写道:
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > On 7/19/05, 张骏 <zhangj at foreseen-info.com
> > > >> > > > > > wrote:
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > googlegroups 支持email客户端吗?
> > > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > 支持,选择Email模式即可。
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > CPUG和Python-chinese能同步吗?
> > > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > 这个恐怕不能自动同步。
> > > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > 邮件列表太多了也不是好事。发帖子都麻烦啊
> > > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > 我觉得CPUG的邮件列表和python-chinese邮件列表应该有不同的功
> > > >> 能。
> > > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > CPUG的邮件应主要集中在活动组织和讨论上,而python-chinese应该是一个技术交
> > > >> 流空间。一般信件应该没必要两边都发,需要cross-posting的应该就是活动通知了。
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > 邮件列表还是要专list专用,太繁杂了不好,用起来也不方便。
> > > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > 目前功能相重合的也就是python-chinese at lists.python.cn> > > >> limodou建的
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > >
> > python-cn at googlegroups.com了。limodou建的这个列表是为python-chinese做备
> > > >> 份的,但是不是邮件备份,而是当python-chinese当掉时可以接着讨论的备份。
> > > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > 邮件备份有google和gmane.org帮我们存着,
> > > >> > > > > 应该不用担心哪天没了的。
> > > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > --
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > Qiangning Hong
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > I'm usually annoyed by IDEs because, for 
> instance,
> > they
> > > >> don't
> > > >> > > > use VIM
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > as an editor. Since I'm hooked to that, all IDEs 
> I've
> > used
> > > >> so
> > > >> > > > far have
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > failed to impress me.
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > -- Sybren Stuvel @ c.l.python
> > > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > Get Firefox! <
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > >
> > http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id;=67907&t;=1>
> > > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > _______________________________________________
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > python-chinese list
> > > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > python-chinese at lists.python.cn
> > > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > >
> > http://python.cn/mailman/listinfo/python-chinese
> > > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > > --
> > > >> > > > > > > > > I like python!
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > > My Donews Blog: http://www.donews.net/limodou
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > > New Google Maillist:
> > > >> > > > http://groups-beta.google.com/group/python-cn
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > > >> > > > > > > > > python-chinese list
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > > python-chinese at lists.python.cn
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > http://python.cn/mailman/listinfo/python-chinese
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > --
> > > >> > > > > > > > Qiangning Hong
> > > >> > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > I'm usually annoyed by IDEs because, for instance, 
> they
> > don't
> > > >> use
> > > >> > > > VIM
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > as an editor. Since I'm hooked to that, all IDEs I've
> > used so
> > > >> far
> > > >> > > > have
> > > >> > > > > > > > failed to impress me.
> > > >> > > > > > > > -- Sybren Stuvel @
> > > >> > > > > c.l.python
> > > >> > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > Get Firefox! <
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > >
> > http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id;=67907&t;=1>
> > > >> > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > python-chinese list
> > > >> > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > python-chinese at lists.python.cn
> > > >> > > > > > > >
> > http://python.cn/mailman/listinfo/python-chinese
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > --
> > > >> > > > > > > [Time is unimportant, only life important!]
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > --------------------- Original Message Ends
> > --------------------
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > > >> > > > > > python-chinese list
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > python-chinese at lists.python.cn
> > > >> > > > > >
> > http://python.cn/mailman/listinfo/python-chinese
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > > >> > > > > python-chinese list
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > python-chinese at lists.python.cn
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > >
> > http://python.cn/mailman/listinfo/python-chinese
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > > >> > > > > python-chinese list
> > > >> > > > > python-chinese at lists.python.cn
> > > >> > > > >
> > http://python.cn/mailman/listinfo/python-chinese
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > --
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > I'm the one, powered by nEO
> > > >> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > >> > > > python-chinese list
> > > >> > > > python-chinese at lists.python.cn
> > > >> > > > http://python.cn/mailman/listinfo/python-chinese
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > _______________________________________________
> > > >> > > python-chinese list
> > > >> > > python-chinese at lists.python.cn
> > > >> > > http://python.cn/mailman/listinfo/python-chinese
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > --
> > > >> > I like python!
> > > >> > My Donews Blog: http://www.donews.net/limodou
> > > >> > New Google Maillist:
> > http://groups-beta.google.com/group/python-cn
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> I like python!
> > > >> My Donews Blog: http://www.donews.net/limodou
> > > >> New Google Maillist:
> > http://groups-beta.google.com/group/python-cn
> > > >>
> > > >> _______________________________________________
> > > >> python-chinese list
> > > >> python-chinese at lists.python.cn
> > > >> http://python.cn/mailman/listinfo/python-chinese
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >--
> > > >梅劲松
> > > >_______________________________________________
> > > >python-chinese list
> > > >python-chinese at lists.python.cn
> > > >http://python.cn/mailman/listinfo/python-chinese
> > > >
> > >
> > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
> > >
> > >
> > > 致
> > > 礼!
> > >
> > >
> > > alongrun
> > > catchbug at 163.com
> > > 2005-07-21
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > python-chinese list
> > > python-chinese at lists.python.cn
> > > http://python.cn/mailman/listinfo/python-chinese
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > #############################################
> > # "your future depends on your dreams." so go to sleep.
> > # save water. shower with your girlfriend.
> > #
> > # Welcom2 : http//blog.csdn.net/auding1900/
> > #############################################
> > _______________________________________________
> > python-chinese list
> > python-chinese at lists.python.cn
> > http://python.cn/mailman/listinfo/python-chinese
> >
> >
> >
> 
> _______________________________________________
> python-chinese list
> python-chinese at lists.python.cn
> http://python.cn/mailman/listinfo/python-chinese
> 
> 
> 


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2005年07月21日 星期四 10:33

梅劲松  stephen.cn at gmail.com
Thu Jul 21 10:33:44 HKT 2005

说事业好象是有点夸大,实现事业的斧头和镰刀吧。

在 05-7-21,nicran<nicran at gmail.com> 写道:
> 把python当作事业?那事业也太小了吧!python只不过是一把斧头,一个镰刀而已。
> 
> 在 05-7-21,Spirit Auding<auding at gmail.com> 写道:
> > 梅先生颇有些当年实业救国派的风范……
> > 佩服佩服!
> >
> >
> > On 7/21/05, alongrun <catchbug at 163.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > 有些项目带头来提高国内python方面的影响力---同意
> > > 只要产品有前景,慢慢能够积累起人气。
> > > 这些还需要各位高手仔细分析。
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ======= 2005-07-20 22:30:54 您在来信中写道:=======
> > >
> > >
> > >我倒是觉得,需要真正有些项目带头来提高国内python方面的影响力.这个也是我发起Python-QQ的原因,是先发展在革命,还是先革命再发展.这个问题我想没有太大必要争论
> > ,作好自己的事情,切实为中国的python事业作出贡献,就已经足够了.
> > > >
> > > >另外使用python的人可能很多,但是真正把它当做一门语言来学习,作为自己的事业来发展的还是很少.道远而任重.
> > > >
> > > >在 05-7-19,Alex.Jao<jao.alex at gmail.com> 写道:
> > > >> 我也注册了,用户名alex,我是新手,请大哥、大姐们多多提协!!!
> > > >>
> > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > >> From: python-chinese-bounces at lists.python.cn
> > > >> [mailto: python-chinese-bounces at lists.python.cn] On
> > Behalf Of limodou
> > > >> Sent: 2005年7月19日 15:44
> > > >> To: python-chinese at lists.python.cn
> > > >> Subject: Re: [python-chinese] Re: 我们需要的是整合,而不是分裂。
> > > >>
> > > >> 我已经注册成功了。用户名 limodou
> > > >>
> > > >> 在 05-7-19,limodou<limodou at gmail.com> 写道:
> > > >> > ???我还以为装在python.cn上了呢。
> > > >> >
> > > >> > 2005/7/19, Gary Jia < gary at exoweb.net>:
> > > >> > >  http://www.woodpecker.org.cn/CPUG/join_form
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >  On 二, 2005-07-19 at 15:35 +0800, limodou wrote:
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > 完整的链接是什么呀?
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > 在 05-7-19,nEO<gentoo.cn at gmail.com> 写道:
> > > >> > > > 居然有不能注册的?
> > > >> > > > 倒是经常见到人讨论如何把注册/join_form去掉呀
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > 2005/7/19, Gary Jia <gary at exoweb.net>:
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > 可以了,在左边的登录表单下面有一个连接:"新用户?"。
> > > >> > > > > 点击即可注册。
> > > >> > > > > On 二, 2005-07-19 at 14:24 +0800, Zoom Quiet wrote:
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > ???
> > > >> > > > > 唉呀呀??没有注意到…………
> > > >> > > > > 我是新建的一个Plone site,
> > > >> > > > > 怎么着?看这意思要设置什么东西才能开放注册的?
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > 谁知道先吼一声………………
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > 在 05-7-19,张骏<zhangj at foreseen-info.com> 写道:
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > 嘿嘿。上面没有注册连接啊,要人肉输入
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > 另外,俺是不是第一个注册的啊
> > > >> > > > > > ----------------------- Original Message
> > -----------------------
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > From: Zoom Quiet <zoom.quiet at gmail.com>
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > To: Qiangning Hong < hongqn at gmail.com>,
> > > >> > > > > python-chinese at lists.python.cn, "Python.cn at google"
> > > >> > > > < python-cn at googlegroups.com>,
> > > >> > > > > CPUG at googlegroups.com
> > > >> > > > > > Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 13:07:33 +0800
> > > >> > > > > > Subject: Re: [python-chinese] Re: 我们需要的是整合,而不是分裂。
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >> > > > > > > 咳咳咳!
> > > >> > > > > > > 快速创立!
> > > >> > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > http://www.woodpecker.org.cn/CPUG/
> > > >> > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > 可怜的 IE ! 看到的 logo 背景就不是透明的好象………………
> > > >> > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > 谁要管理?自个儿注册后涛乙簧;
> > > >> > > > > > > 我就先指定一下, 开始定制吧…………
> > > >> > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > 嗬嗬…………真是迫不及待哪…………
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > 在 05-7-19,Qiangning Hong<hongqn at gmail.com> 写道:
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > 同意。这样各地的兄弟都可以进来看了。
> > > >> > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > 等到有其他地域的PUG起来后,可以在信件标题上注明[BPUG]标明是北
> > > >> 京相关帖子
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > On 7/19/05, limodou <limodou at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > > 那可以保cpug,bpug的去了得了。
> > > >> > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > > 在 05-7-19,Qiangning Hong<
> > > >> > > > > hongqn at gmail.com> 写道:
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > On 7/19/05, 张骏 <zhangj at foreseen-info.com
> > > >> > > > > > wrote:
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > googlegroups 支持email客户端吗?
> > > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > 支持,选择Email模式即可。
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > CPUG和Python-chinese能同步吗?
> > > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > 这个恐怕不能自动同步。
> > > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > 邮件列表太多了也不是好事。发帖子都麻烦啊
> > > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > 我觉得CPUG的邮件列表和python-chinese邮件列表应该有不同的功
> > > >> 能。
> > > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > CPUG的邮件应主要集中在活动组织和讨论上,而python-chinese应该是一个技术交
> > > >> 流空间。一般信件应该没必要两边都发,需要cross-posting的应该就是活动通知了。
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > 邮件列表还是要专list专用,太繁杂了不好,用起来也不方便。
> > > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > 目前功能相重合的也就是python-chinese at lists.python.cn> > > >> limodou建的
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > >
> > python-cn at googlegroups.com了。limodou建的这个列表是为python-chinese做备
> > > >> 份的,但是不是邮件备份,而是当python-chinese当掉时可以接着讨论的备份。
> > > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > 邮件备份有google和gmane.org帮我们存着,
> > > >> > > > > 应该不用担心哪天没了的。
> > > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > --
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > Qiangning Hong
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > I'm usually annoyed by IDEs because, for instance,
> > they
> > > >> don't
> > > >> > > > use VIM
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > as an editor. Since I'm hooked to that, all IDEs I've
> > used
> > > >> so
> > > >> > > > far have
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > failed to impress me.
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > -- Sybren Stuvel @ c.l.python
> > > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > Get Firefox! <
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > >
> > http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id;=67907&t;=1>
> > > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > _______________________________________________
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > python-chinese list
> > > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > python-chinese at lists.python.cn
> > > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > >
> > http://python.cn/mailman/listinfo/python-chinese
> > > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > > --
> > > >> > > > > > > > > I like python!
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > > My Donews Blog: http://www.donews.net/limodou
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > > New Google Maillist:
> > > >> > > > http://groups-beta.google.com/group/python-cn
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > > >> > > > > > > > > python-chinese list
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > > python-chinese at lists.python.cn
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > http://python.cn/mailman/listinfo/python-chinese
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > --
> > > >> > > > > > > > Qiangning Hong
> > > >> > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > I'm usually annoyed by IDEs because, for instance, they
> > don't
> > > >> use
> > > >> > > > VIM
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > as an editor. Since I'm hooked to that, all IDEs I've
> > used so
> > > >> far
> > > >> > > > have
> > > >> > > > > > > > failed to impress me.
> > > >> > > > > > > > -- Sybren Stuvel @
> > > >> > > > > c.l.python
> > > >> > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > Get Firefox! <
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > >
> > http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id;=67907&t;=1>
> > > >> > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > python-chinese list
> > > >> > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > python-chinese at lists.python.cn
> > > >> > > > > > > >
> > http://python.cn/mailman/listinfo/python-chinese
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > --
> > > >> > > > > > > [Time is unimportant, only life important!]
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > --------------------- Original Message Ends
> > --------------------
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > > >> > > > > > python-chinese list
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > python-chinese at lists.python.cn
> > > >> > > > > >
> > http://python.cn/mailman/listinfo/python-chinese
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > > >> > > > > python-chinese list
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > python-chinese at lists.python.cn
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > >
> > http://python.cn/mailman/listinfo/python-chinese
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > > >> > > > > python-chinese list
> > > >> > > > > python-chinese at lists.python.cn
> > > >> > > > >
> > http://python.cn/mailman/listinfo/python-chinese
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > --
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > I'm the one, powered by nEO
> > > >> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > >> > > > python-chinese list
> > > >> > > > python-chinese at lists.python.cn
> > > >> > > > http://python.cn/mailman/listinfo/python-chinese
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > _______________________________________________
> > > >> > > python-chinese list
> > > >> > > python-chinese at lists.python.cn
> > > >> > > http://python.cn/mailman/listinfo/python-chinese
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > --
> > > >> > I like python!
> > > >> > My Donews Blog: http://www.donews.net/limodou
> > > >> > New Google Maillist:
> > http://groups-beta.google.com/group/python-cn
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> I like python!
> > > >> My Donews Blog: http://www.donews.net/limodou
> > > >> New Google Maillist:
> > http://groups-beta.google.com/group/python-cn
> > > >>
> > > >> _______________________________________________
> > > >> python-chinese list
> > > >> python-chinese at lists.python.cn
> > > >> http://python.cn/mailman/listinfo/python-chinese
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >--
> > > >梅劲松
> > > >_______________________________________________
> > > >python-chinese list
> > > >python-chinese at lists.python.cn
> > > >http://python.cn/mailman/listinfo/python-chinese
> > > >
> > >
> > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
> > >
> > >
> > > 致
> > > 礼!
> > >
> > >
> > > alongrun
> > > catchbug at 163.com
> > > 2005-07-21
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > python-chinese list
> > > python-chinese at lists.python.cn
> > > http://python.cn/mailman/listinfo/python-chinese
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > #############################################
> > #    "your future depends on your dreams." so go to sleep.
> > #    save water. shower with your girlfriend.
> > #
> > #    Welcom2 : http//blog.csdn.net/auding1900/
> > #############################################
> > _______________________________________________
> > python-chinese list
> > python-chinese at lists.python.cn
> > http://python.cn/mailman/listinfo/python-chinese
> >
> >
> >
> 
> _______________________________________________
> python-chinese list
> python-chinese at lists.python.cn
> http://python.cn/mailman/listinfo/python-chinese
> 
> 
> 


-- 
梅劲松

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2005年07月21日 星期四 10:41

Leslie Huyan leslie at exoweb.net
Thu Jul 21 10:41:41 HKT 2005

呵呵, 很确切。 不过我觉得梅先生想表达的意思应该是潜心研究Python的人,
留心Python动态,从而可以用Python相关技术提出各种解决方案者。或者更加深
入, 参与进化Python的基础结构与平台拓展。 这两样事情(人)都需要工夫,也
可长久受益。

nicran wrote:

>把python当作事业?那事业也太小了吧!python只不过是一把斧头,一个镰刀而已。
>
>在 05-7-21,Spirit Auding<auding at gmail.com> 写道:
>  
>
>>梅先生颇有些当年实业救国派的风范……
>>佩服佩服!
>>
>>
>>On 7/21/05, alongrun <catchbug at 163.com> wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>有些项目带头来提高国内python方面的影响力---同意
>>>只要产品有前景,慢慢能够积累起人气。
>>>这些还需要各位高手仔细分析。
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>======= 2005-07-20 22:30:54 您在来信中写道:=======
>>>
>>>
>>>我倒是觉得,需要真正有些项目带头来提高国内python方面的影响力.这个也是我发起Python-QQ的原因,是先发展在革命,还是先革命再发展.这个问题我想没有太大必要争论
>>>      
>>>
>>,作好自己的事情,切实为中国的python事业作出贡献,就已经足够了.
>>    
>>
>>>>另外使用python的人可能很多,但是真正把它当做一门语言来学习,作为自己的事业来发展的还是很少.道远而任重.
>>>>
>>>>在 05-7-19,Alex.Jao<jao.alex at gmail.com> 写道:
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>我也注册了,用户名alex,我是新手,请大哥、大姐们多多提协!!! 
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: python-chinese-bounces at lists.python.cn
>>>>>[mailto: python-chinese-bounces at lists.python.cn] On
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>Behalf Of limodou
>>    
>>
>>>>>Sent: 2005年7月19日 15:44
>>>>>To: python-chinese at lists.python.cn
>>>>>Subject: Re: [python-chinese] Re: 我们需要的是整合,而不是分裂。 
>>>>>
>>>>>我已经注册成功了。用户名 limodou
>>>>>
>>>>>在 05-7-19,limodou<limodou at gmail.com> 写道:
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>>>???我还以为装在python.cn上了呢。
>>>>>>
>>>>>>2005/7/19, Gary Jia < gary at exoweb.net>:
>>>>>>            
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.woodpecker.org.cn/CPUG/join_form
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 二, 2005-07-19 at 15:35 +0800, limodou wrote: 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>完整的链接是什么呀?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>在 05-7-19,nEO<gentoo.cn at gmail.com> 写道:
>>>>>>>              
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>居然有不能注册的? 
>>>>>>>>倒是经常见到人讨论如何把注册/join_form去掉呀
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>2005/7/19, Gary Jia <gary at exoweb.net>:
>>>>>>>>                
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>可以了,在左边的登录表单下面有一个连接:"新用户?"。
>>>>>>>>>点击即可注册。
>>>>>>>>>On 二, 2005-07-19 at 14:24 +0800, Zoom Quiet wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>???
>>>>>>>>>唉呀呀??没有注意到…………
>>>>>>>>>我是新建的一个Plone site,
>>>>>>>>>怎么着?看这意思要设置什么东西才能开放注册的?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>谁知道先吼一声………………
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>在 05-7-19,张骏<zhangj at foreseen-info.com> 写道:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                  
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>嘿嘿。上面没有注册连接啊,要人肉输入
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>另外,俺是不是第一个注册的啊
>>>>>>>>>>----------------------- Original Message
>>>>>>>>>>                    
>>>>>>>>>>
>>----------------------- 
>>    
>>
>>>>>>>>>>From: Zoom Quiet <zoom.quiet at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>                    
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>To: Qiangning Hong < hongqn at gmail.com>,
>>>>>>>>>>                    
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>python-chinese at lists.python.cn, "Python.cn at google"
>>>>>>>>>                  
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>< python-cn at googlegroups.com>,
>>>>>>>>                
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>CPUG at googlegroups.com
>>>>>>>>>                  
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 13:07:33 +0800 
>>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [python-chinese] Re: 我们需要的是整合,而不是分裂。
>>>>>>>>>>                    
>>>>>>>>>>
>>----------------------------------------------------------------
>>    
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>咳咳咳!
>>>>>>>>>>>快速创立!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                      
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>http://www.woodpecker.org.cn/CPUG/ 
>>>>>>>>>                  
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>可怜的 IE ! 看到的 logo 背景就不是透明的好象………………
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                      
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>谁要管理?自个儿注册后涛乙簧; 
>>>>>>>>>>>我就先指定一下, 开始定制吧…………
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>嗬嗬…………真是迫不及待哪…………
>>>>>>>>>>>                      
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>在 05-7-19,Qiangning Hong<hongqn at gmail.com> 写道:
>>>>>>>>>>>                      
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>同意。这样各地的兄弟都可以进来看了。 
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>等到有其他地域的PUG起来后,可以在信件标题上注明[BPUG]标明是北
>>>>>>>>>>>>                        
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>京相关帖子
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>On 7/19/05, limodou <limodou at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>                        
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>那可以保cpug,bpug的去了得了。 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>在 05-7-19,Qiangning Hong<
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                          
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>hongqn at gmail.com> 写道: 
>>>>>>>>>                  
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On 7/19/05, 张骏 <zhangj at foreseen-info.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                            
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>                    
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>googlegroups 支持email客户端吗? 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                              
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>支持,选择Email模式即可。
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                            
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>CPUG和Python-chinese能同步吗?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                              
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>这个恐怕不能自动同步。 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                            
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>邮件列表太多了也不是好事。发帖子都麻烦啊
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                              
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>我觉得CPUG的邮件列表和python-chinese邮件列表应该有不同的功
>>    
>>
>>>>>能。
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>>>>CPUG的邮件应主要集中在活动组织和讨论上,而python-chinese应该是一个技术交 
>>>>>>>              
>>>>>>>
>>>>>流空间。一般信件应该没必要两边都发,需要cross-posting的应该就是活动通知了。
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>邮件列表还是要专list专用,太繁杂了不好,用起来也不方便。 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                            
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>目前功能相重合的也就是python-chinese at lists.python.cn>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                            
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>limodou建的
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>python-cn at googlegroups.com了。limodou建的这个列表是为python-chinese做备
>>    
>>
>>>>>份的,但是不是邮件备份,而是当python-chinese当掉时可以接着讨论的备份。 
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>邮件备份有google和gmane.org帮我们存着,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                            
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>应该不用担心哪天没了的。
>>>>>>>>>                  
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Qiangning Hong
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                            
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I'm usually annoyed by IDEs because, for instance,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                            
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>they
>>    
>>
>>>>>don't
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>use VIM
>>>>>>>>                
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>as an editor. Since I'm hooked to that, all IDEs I've
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                            
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>used 
>>    
>>
>>>>>so
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>far have
>>>>>>>>                
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>failed to impress me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>-- Sybren Stuvel @ c.l.python
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                            
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Get Firefox! <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                            
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id;=67907&t;=1>
>>    
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                            
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>>>              
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>python-chinese list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                            
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>python-chinese at lists.python.cn
>>>>>>>>>                  
>>>>>>>>>
>>http://python.cn/mailman/listinfo/python-chinese
>>    
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                            
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I like python! 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                          
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>My Donews Blog: http://www.donews.net/limodou
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                          
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>New Google Maillist: 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                          
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>http://groups-beta.google.com/group/python-cn
>>>>>>>>                
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                          
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>    
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>python-chinese list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                          
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>python-chinese at lists.python.cn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                          
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>http://python.cn/mailman/listinfo/python-chinese
>>>>>>>              
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                          
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                        
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>>>>>Qiangning Hong 
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>I'm usually annoyed by IDEs because, for instance, they
>>>>>>>>>>>>                        
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>don't
>>    
>>
>>>>>use
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>VIM
>>>>>>>>                
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>as an editor. Since I'm hooked to that, all IDEs I've
>>>>>>>>>>>>                        
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>used so
>>    
>>
>>>>>far
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>have
>>>>>>>>                
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>failed to impress me. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>-- Sybren Stuvel @
>>>>>>>>>>>>                        
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>c.l.python
>>>>>>>>>                  
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Get Firefox! < 
>>>>>>>>>>>>                        
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id;=67907&t;=1>
>>    
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                        
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>    
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>python-chinese list
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                        
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>python-chinese at lists.python.cn
>>>>>>>>>                  
>>>>>>>>>
>>http://python.cn/mailman/listinfo/python-chinese
>>    
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                        
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                      
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>>>>[Time is unimportant, only life important!] 
>>>>>>>>>>>                      
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>--------------------- Original Message Ends
>>>>>>>>>>                    
>>>>>>>>>>
>>--------------------
>>    
>>
>>_______________________________________________ 
>>    
>>
>>>>>>>>>>python-chinese list
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                    
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>python-chinese at lists.python.cn
>>>>>>>>>                  
>>>>>>>>>
>>http://python.cn/mailman/listinfo/python-chinese
>>    
>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                  
>>>>>>>>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>    
>>
>>>>>>>>>python-chinese list
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>python-chinese at lists.python.cn
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                  
>>>>>>>>>
>>http://python.cn/mailman/listinfo/python-chinese
>>    
>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                  
>>>>>>>>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>    
>>
>>>>>>>>>python-chinese list
>>>>>>>>>python-chinese at lists.python.cn
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                  
>>>>>>>>>
>>http://python.cn/mailman/listinfo/python-chinese
>>    
>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                  
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I'm the one, powered by nEO 
>>>>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>python-chinese list
>>>>>>>>python-chinese at lists.python.cn 
>>>>>>>>http://python.cn/mailman/listinfo/python-chinese
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>>>python-chinese list
>>>>>>>python-chinese at lists.python.cn
>>>>>>>http://python.cn/mailman/listinfo/python-chinese
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>              
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>--
>>>>>>I like python!
>>>>>>My Donews Blog: http://www.donews.net/limodou
>>>>>>New Google Maillist:
>>>>>>            
>>>>>>
>>http://groups-beta.google.com/group/python-cn
>>    
>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>I like python!
>>>>>My Donews Blog: http://www.donews.net/limodou 
>>>>>New Google Maillist:
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>http://groups-beta.google.com/group/python-cn
>>    
>>
>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>python-chinese list 
>>>>>python-chinese at lists.python.cn
>>>>>http://python.cn/mailman/listinfo/python-chinese
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>梅劲松
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>python-chinese list
>>>>python-chinese at lists.python.cn
>>>>http://python.cn/mailman/listinfo/python-chinese
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>礼!
>>>
>>>
>>>alongrun
>>>catchbug at 163.com
>>>2005-07-21
>>>
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>python-chinese list
>>>python-chinese at lists.python.cn
>>>http://python.cn/mailman/listinfo/python-chinese
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>
>>-- 
>>#############################################
>>#    "your future depends on your dreams." so go to sleep. 
>>#    save water. shower with your girlfriend.
>>#
>>#    Welcom2 : http//blog.csdn.net/auding1900/
>>############################################# 
>>_______________________________________________
>>python-chinese list
>>python-chinese at lists.python.cn
>>http://python.cn/mailman/listinfo/python-chinese
>>
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>python-chinese list
>>python-chinese at lists.python.cn
>>http://python.cn/mailman/listinfo/python-chinese
>>    
>>


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2005年07月21日 星期四 10:52

Neo Chan (netkiller) neo.chen at achievo.com
Thu Jul 21 10:52:35 HKT 2005

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2005年07月21日 星期四 11:07

March Liu march.liu at gmail.com
Thu Jul 21 11:07:03 HKT 2005

别老拿国情说事儿,中国做"小事"成功的大有人在 
,等到别人成功后再酸溜溜的说"想当年我也……"就太可笑了。就拿Python做事业又怎么样,事无大小,机会对于旁观者总是遥不可及。


在05-7-21,Neo Chan (netkiller) <neo.chen at achievo.com> 写道:
> 
> """
> 松下电器是卖插座开始的,Nokia是砍木头起家的,事业无大小,谋事在人,成事在天。
> """
>  国情不同,你在中国砍木头,你还是砍木头的...
>  
> Neo Chan (netkiller)
> Best Regards, 73! de BG7NYT
> 
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2005年07月21日 星期四 12:04

倪正刚 ni at twinisa.com
Thu Jul 21 12:04:27 HKT 2005

不认同这种说法,中国也有很多人的成就不是在本行上。
一条道走到黑,只能说明努力的还不够。

不要动不动就说国情,国情究竟是怎样,你也未必说得清楚。
  -----Original Message-----
  From: python-chinese-bounces at lists.python.cn
[mailto:python-chinese-bounces at lists.python.cn]On Behalf Of Neo Chan
(netkiller)
  Sent: 2005年7月21日 10:53
  To: 'March Liu'; python-chinese at lists.python.cn
  Subject: (瑞星提示-此邮件可能是垃圾邮件)RE: Re: [python-chinese] Re: 我们
需要的是整合 ,而不是分裂。


  """
  松下电器是卖插座开始的,Nokia是砍木头起家的,事业无大小,谋事在人,成事在
天。
  """

  国情不同,你在中国砍木头,你还是砍木头的...

  Neo Chan (netkiller)
  Best Regards, 73! de BG7NYT

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  From: python-chinese-bounces at lists.python.cn
[mailto:python-chinese-bounces at lists.python.cn] On Behalf Of March Liu
  Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 10:33 AM
  To: nicran; python-chinese at lists.python.cn
  Subject: Re: Re: [python-chinese] Re: 我们需要的是整合,而不是分裂。


  Python为什么不能当作事业,当年还有拿Basic当作事业的呢,那老兄的奋斗目标无
非就是做一个可以放在4096字节空间的Basic……
  松下电器是卖插座开始的,Nokia是砍木头起家的,事业无大小,谋事在人,成事在
天。何况现在Python是动态语言新贵,连MS和IBM这样的巨头都对它另眼相看,再当
Python是小玩意也太后知后觉了。


  在05-7-21,nicran <nicran at gmail.com> 写道:
    把python当作事业?那事业也太小了吧!python只不过是一把斧头,一个镰刀而
已。

    在 05-7-21,Spirit Auding<auding at gmail.com> 写道:
    > 梅先生颇有些当年实业救国派的风范……
    > 佩服佩服!
    >
    >
    > On 7/21/05, alongrun < catchbug at 163.com> wrote:
    > >
    > > 有些项目带头来提高国内python方面的影响力---同意
    > > 只要产品有前景,慢慢能够积累起人气。
    > > 这些还需要各位高手仔细分析。
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > ======= 2005-07-20 22:30:54 您在来信中写道:=======
    > >
    > >
    > >我倒是觉得,需要真正有些项目带头来提高国内python方面的影响力.这个也是
我发起Python-QQ的原因,是先发展在革命,还是先革命再发展.这个问题我想没有太大必
要争论
    > ,作好自己的事情,切实为中国的python事业作出贡献,就已经足够了.
    > > >
    > > >另外使用python的人可能很多,但是真正把它当做一门语言来学习,作为自己
的事业来发展的还是很少.道远而任重.
    > > >
    > > >在 05-7-19,Alex.Jao<jao.alex at gmail.com> 写道:
    > > >> 我也注册了,用户名alex,我是新手,请大哥、大姐们多多提协!!!
    > > >>
    > > >> -----Original Message-----
    > > >> From: python-chinese-bounces at lists.python.cn
    > > >> [mailto: python-chinese-bounces at lists.python.cn] On
    > Behalf Of limodou
    > > >> Sent: 2005年7月19日 15:44
    > > >> To: python-chinese at lists.python.cn
    > > >> Subject: Re: [python-chinese] Re: 我们需要的是整合,而不是分裂。
    > > >>
    > > >> 我已经注册成功了。用户名 limodou
    > > >>
    > > >> 在 05-7-19,limodou< limodou at gmail.com> 写道:
    > > >> > ???我还以为装在python.cn上了呢。
    > > >> >
    > > >> > 2005/7/19, Gary Jia < gary at exoweb.net>:
    > > >> > >  http://www.woodpecker.org.cn/CPUG/join_form
    > > >> > >
    > > >> > >  On 二, 2005-07-19 at 15:35 +0800, limodou wrote:
    > > >> > >
    > > >> > >
    > > >> > > 完整的链接是什么呀?
    > > >> > >
    > > >> > > 在 05-7-19,nEO< gentoo.cn at gmail.com> 写道:
    > > >> > > > 居然有不能注册的?
    > > >> > > > 倒是经常见到人讨论如何把注册/join_form去掉呀
    > > >> > > >
    > > >> > > > 2005/7/19, Gary Jia < gary at exoweb.net>:
    > > >> > > > >
    > > >> > > > > 可以了,在左边的登录表单下面有一个连接:"新用户?"。
    > > >> > > > > 点击即可注册。
    > > >> > > > > On 二, 2005-07-19 at 14:24 +0800, Zoom Quiet wrote:
    > > >> > > > >
    > > >> > > > > ???
    > > >> > > > > 唉呀呀??没有注意到…………
    > > >> > > > > 我是新建的一个Plone site,
    > > >> > > > > 怎么着?看这意思要设置什么东西才能开放注册的?
    > > >> > > > >
    > > >> > > > > 谁知道先吼一声………………
    > > >> > > > >
    > > >> > > > > 在 05-7-19,张骏<zhangj at foreseen-info.com> 写道:
    > > >> > > > >
    > > >> > > > > > 嘿嘿。上面没有注册连接啊,要人肉输入
    > > >> > > > > >
    > > >> > > > > >
    > > >> > > > > > 另外,俺是不是第一个注册的啊
    > > >> > > > > > ----------------------- Original Message
    > -----------------------
    > > >> > > > >
    > > >> > > > > > From: Zoom Quiet < zoom.quiet at gmail.com>
    > > >> > > > >
    > > >> > > > > > To: Qiangning Hong < hongqn at gmail.com >,
    > > >> > > > > python-chinese at lists.python.cn, "Python.cn at google"
    > > >> > > > < python-cn at googlegroups.com>,
    > > >> > > > > CPUG at googlegroups.com
    > > >> > > > > > Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 13:07:33 +0800
    > > >> > > > > > Subject: Re: [python-chinese] Re: 我们需要的是整合,而
不是分裂。
    > > >> > > > >
    > > >> > > > > >
    > > >> > > >
    > > >> > >
    > ----------------------------------------------------------------
    > > >> > > > > > > 咳咳咳!
    > > >> > > > > > > 快速创立!
    > > >> > > > > > >
    > > >> > > > > http://www.woodpecker.org.cn/CPUG/
    > > >> > > > > > >
    > > >> > > > > > > 可怜的 IE ! 看到的 logo 背景就不是透明的好
象………………
    > > >> > > > > > >
    > > >> > > > >
    > > >> > > > > > > 谁要管理?自个儿注册后涛乙簧;
    > > >> > > > > > > 我就先指定一下, 开始定制吧…………
    > > >> > > > > > >
    > > >> > > > > > > 嗬嗬…………真是迫不及待哪…………
    > > >> > > > >
    > > >> > > > > > >
    > > >> > > > > > > 在 05-7-19,Qiangning Hong<hongqn at gmail.com> 写道:
    > > >> > > > >
    > > >> > > > > > > > 同意。这样各地的兄弟都可以进来看了。
    > > >> > > > > > > >
    > > >> > > > > > > > 等到有其他地域的PUG起来后,可以在信件标题上注明
[BPUG]标明是北
    > > >> 京相关帖子
    > > >> > > > >
    > > >> > > > > > > >
    > > >> > > > > > > > On 7/19/05, limodou < limodou at gmail.com> wrote:
    > > >> > > > >
    > > >> > > > > > > > > 那可以保cpug,bpug的去了得了。
    > > >> > > > > > > > >
    > > >> > > > > > > > > 在 05-7-19,Qiangning Hong<
    > > >> > > > > hongqn at gmail.com> 写道:
    > > >> > > > > > > > > > On 7/19/05, 张骏 < zhangj at foreseen-info.com
    > > >> > > > > > wrote:
    > > >> > > > > > > > > > > googlegroups 支持email客户端吗?
    > > >> > > > > > > > > >
    > > >> > > > > > > > > > 支持,选择Email模式即可。
    > > >> > > > >
    > > >> > > > > > > > > >
    > > >> > > > > > > > > > > CPUG和Python-chinese能同步吗?
    > > >> > > > > > > > > >
    > > >> > > > >
    > > >> > > > > > > > > > 这个恐怕不能自动同步。
    > > >> > > > > > > > > >
    > > >> > > > > > > > > > > 邮件列表太多了也不是好事。发帖子都麻烦啊
    > > >> > > > > > > > > >
    > > >> > > > >
    > > >> > > > > > > > > >
    > 我觉得CPUG的邮件列表和python-chinese邮件列表应该有不同的功
    > > >> 能。
    > > >> > > > > > > > > >
    > > >> > > >
    > > >> > > CPUG的邮件应主要集中在活动组织和讨论上,而python-chinese应该
是一个技术交
    > > >> 流空间。一般信件应该没必要两边都发,需要cross-posting的应该就是活
动通知了。
    > > >> > > > >
    > > >> > > > > > > > > >
    > > >> > > > > > > > > > 邮件列表还是要专list专用,太繁杂了不好,用起来
也不方便。
    > > >> > > > > > > > > >
    > > >> > > > >
    > > >> > > > > > > > > > 目前功能相重合的也就是
python-chinese at lists.python.cn和
    > > >> limodou建的
    > > >> > > > >
    > > >> > > >
    > > >> > >
    > python-cn at googlegroups.com了。limodou建的这个列表是为python-chinese做
备
    > > >> 份的,但是不是邮件备份,而是当python-chinese当掉时可以接着讨论的
备份。
    > > >> > > > > > > > > >
    > > >> > > > > > > > > > 邮件备份有google和gmane.org帮我们存着,
    > > >> > > > > 应该不用担心哪天没了的。
    > > >> > > > > > > > > >
    > > >> > > > > > > > > > --
    > > >> > > > > > > > > > Qiangning Hong
    > > >> > > > >
    > > >> > > > > > > > > >
    > > >> > > > > > > > > > I'm usually annoyed by IDEs because, for
instance,
    > they
    > > >> don't
    > > >> > > > use VIM
    > > >> > > > > > > > > > as an editor. Since I'm hooked to that, all
IDEs I've
    > used
    > > >> so
    > > >> > > > far have
    > > >> > > > >
    > > >> > > > > > > > > > failed to impress me.
    > > >> > > > > > > > > > -- Sybren Stuvel @ c.l.python
    > > >> > > > > > > > > >
    > > >> > > > >
    > > >> > > > > > > > > > Get Firefox! <
    > > >> > > > >
    > > >> > >
    > http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id;=67907&t;=1>
    > > >> > > > > > > > > >
    > > >> > > > > > > > > >
    > > >> > > _______________________________________________
    > > >> > > > >
    > > >> > > > > > > > > > python-chinese list
    > > >> > > > > > > > > >
    > > >> > > > > python-chinese at lists.python.cn
    > > >> > > > > > > > > >
    > > >> > > > >
    > http://python.cn/mailman/listinfo/python-chinese
    > > >> > > > > > > > > >
    > > >> > > > > > > > > >
    > > >> > > > > > > > > >
    > > >> > > > >
    > > >> > > > > > > > >
    > > >> > > > > > > > >
    > > >> > > > > > > > > --
    > > >> > > > > > > > > I like python!
    > > >> > > > >
    > > >> > > > > > > > > My Donews Blog: http://www.donews.net/limodou
    > > >> > > > >
    > > >> > > > > > > > > New Google Maillist:
    > > >> > > > http://groups-beta.google.com/group/python-cn
    > > >> > > > >
    > > >> > > > > > > > >
    > > >> > > > > > > > >
    > _______________________________________________
    > > >> > > > > > > > > python-chinese list
    > > >> > > > >
    > > >> > > > > > > > > python-chinese at lists.python.cn
    > > >> > > > >
    > > >> > > > > > > > >
    > > >> > > http://python.cn/mailman/listinfo/python-chinese
    > > >> > > > >
    > > >> > > > > > > > >
    > > >> > > > > > > > >
    > > >> > > > > > > > >
    > > >> > > > > > > >
    > > >> > > > > > > >
    > > >> > > > >
    > > >> > > > > > > > --
    > > >> > > > > > > > Qiangning Hong
    > > >> > > > > > > >
    > > >> > > > > > > > I'm usually annoyed by IDEs because, for instance,
they
    > don't
    > > >> use
    > > >> > > > VIM
    > > >> > > > >
    > > >> > > > > > > > as an editor. Since I'm hooked to that, all IDEs
I've
    > used so
    > > >> far
    > > >> > > > have
    > > >> > > > > > > > failed to impress me.
    > > >> > > > > > > > -- Sybren Stuvel @
    > > >> > > > > c.l.python
    > > >> > > > > > > >
    > > >> > > > > > > > Get Firefox! <
    > > >> > > > >
    > > >> > >
    > http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id;=67907&t;=1 >
    > > >> > > > > > > >
    > > >> > > > > > > >
    > _______________________________________________
    > > >> > > > >
    > > >> > > > > > > > python-chinese list
    > > >> > > > > > > >
    > > >> > > > > python-chinese at lists.python.cn
    > > >> > > > > > > >
    > http://python.cn/mailman/listinfo/python-chinese
    > > >> > > > >
    > > >> > > > > > > >
    > > >> > > > > > > >
    > > >> > > > > > > >
    > > >> > > > > > >
    > > >> > > > > > >
    > > >> > > > >
    > > >> > > > > > > --
    > > >> > > > > > > [Time is unimportant, only life important!]
    > > >> > > > > >
    > > >> > > > > > --------------------- Original Message Ends
    > --------------------
    > > >> > > > >
    > > >> > > > > >
    > _______________________________________________
    > > >> > > > > > python-chinese list
    > > >> > > > > >
    > > >> > > > > python-chinese at lists.python.cn
    > > >> > > > > >
    > http://python.cn/mailman/listinfo/python-chinese
    > > >> > > > >
    > > >> > > > > >
    > > >> > > > >
    > > >> > > > >
    > > >> > > > >
    > _______________________________________________
    > > >> > > > > python-chinese list
    > > >> > > > >
    > > >> > > > > python-chinese at lists.python.cn
    > > >> > > > >
    > > >> > > > >
    > http://python.cn/mailman/listinfo/python-chinese
    > > >> > > > >
    > > >> > > > >
    > > >> > > > >
    > _______________________________________________
    > > >> > > > > python-chinese list
    > > >> > > > > python-chinese at lists.python.cn
    > > >> > > > >
    > http://python.cn/mailman/listinfo/python-chinese
    > > >> > > > >
    > > >> > > > >
    > > >> > > > >
    > > >> > > >
    > > >> > > >
    > > >> > > >
    > > >> > > > --
    > > >> > > >
    > > >> > > > I'm the one, powered by nEO
    > > >> > > > _______________________________________________
    > > >> > > > python-chinese list
    > > >> > > > python-chinese at lists.python.cn
    > > >> > > > http://python.cn/mailman/listinfo/python-chinese
    > > >> > > >
    > > >> > > >
    > > >> > > >
    > > >> > >
    > > >> > >
    > > >> > > _______________________________________________
    > > >> > > python-chinese list
    > > >> > > python-chinese at lists.python.cn
    > > >> > > http://python.cn/mailman/listinfo/python-chinese
    > > >> > >
    > > >> > >
    > > >> >
    > > >> >
    > > >> > --
    > > >> > I like python!
    > > >> > My Donews Blog: http://www.donews.net/limodou
    > > >> > New Google Maillist:
    > http://groups-beta.google.com/group/python-cn
    > > >> >
    > > >>
    > > >>
    > > >> --
    > > >> I like python!
    > > >> My Donews Blog: http://www.donews.net/limodou
    > > >> New Google Maillist:
    > http://groups-beta.google.com/group/python-cn
    > > >>
    > > >> _______________________________________________
    > > >> python-chinese list
    > > >> python-chinese at lists.python.cn
    > > >> http://python.cn/mailman/listinfo/python-chinese
    > > >>
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >--
    > > >梅劲松
    > > >_______________________________________________
    > > >python-chinese list
    > > >python-chinese at lists.python.cn
    > > >http://python.cn/mailman/listinfo/python-chinese
    > > >
    > >
    > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
    > >
    > >
    > > 致
    > > 礼!
    > >
    > >
    > > alongrun
    > > catchbug at 163.com
    > > 2005-07-21
    > >
    > >
    > > _______________________________________________
    > > python-chinese list
    > > python-chinese at lists.python.cn
    > > http://python.cn/mailman/listinfo/python-chinese
    > >
    > >
    > >
    >
    >
    >
    > --
    > #############################################
    > #    "your future depends on your dreams." so go to sleep.
    > #    save water. shower with your girlfriend.
    > #
    > #    Welcom2 : http//blog.csdn.net/auding1900/
    > #############################################
    > _______________________________________________
    > python-chinese list
    > python-chinese at lists.python.cn
    > http://python.cn/mailman/listinfo/python-chinese
    >
    >
    >

    _______________________________________________
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2005年07月22日 星期五 12:23

Bruce Wang number5 at gmail.com
Fri Jul 22 12:23:40 HKT 2005

jabber/xmpp的client多了去了
xmpp.py
jabber.py
twisted.words
imcom
谁叫jabber客户端的协议那么容易实现呢


On 7/23/05, mahongquan <mahongquan730208 at 163.com> wrote:
> 用gajim.py 这个jabber client 还不错,对于我们pythoner感觉很亲切
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> python-chinese list
> python-chinese at lists.python.cn
> http://python.cn/mailman/listinfo/python-chinese
> 


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2005年07月23日 星期六 01:38

mahongquan mahongquan730208 at 163.com
Sat Jul 23 01:38:35 HKT 2005

用gajim.py 这个jabber client 还不错,对于我们pythoner感觉很亲切



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