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IDE is evil～

VIM is enough～


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thanks

On 4/2/06, mikespook <mikespook at gmail.com> wrote:
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> IDE is evil～
>
> VIM is enough～
>
>
> 在06-4-2，Geoffery>>>嘎瑞>>>XuLi <geofferyli at gmail.com> 写道：
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补充一下mikespook的话呵呵,说的再激进偏激一点,我觉得IDE是低能儿使用的:)无意冒犯,只是觉得IDE真的可恶帮初学者做好了一切隐藏了一切,其实都是在害人。（特别想提一下大坏蛋微软，不仅提供弱智的操作系统还提供弱智的IDE）

On 4/2/06, Geoffery>>>嘎瑞>>>XuLi <geofferyli at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> thanks
>
> On 4/2/06, mikespook <mikespook at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > IDE is evil～
> >
> > VIM is enough～
> >
> >
> > 在06-4-2，Geoffery>>>嘎瑞>>>XuLi < geofferyli at gmail.com> 写道：
> > >
> > > 如题，谢谢
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。。。这可不是偏激一点

在 06-4-2，adolph bernie<tempnetbar at gmail.com> 写道：
> 补充一下mikespook的话呵呵,说的再激进偏激一点,我觉得IDE是低能儿使用的:)无意冒犯,只是觉得IDE真的可恶帮初学者做好了一切隐藏了一切,其实都是在害人。（特别想提一下大坏蛋微软，不仅提供弱智的操作系统还提供弱智的IDE）
>
>
> On 4/2/06, Geoffery>>>嘎瑞>>>XuLi <geofferyli at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > thanks
> >
> >
> > On 4/2/06, mikespook <mikespook at gmail.com > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > IDE is evil～
> > >
> > > VIM is enough～
> > >
> > >
> > > 在06-4-2，Geoffery>>>嘎瑞>>>XuLi < geofferyli at gmail.com> 写道：
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 如题，谢谢
> > >
> > >
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大家不得不承认,使用IDE以后,程序的开发效率提高了许多,而且,IDE为初学者学习编程降底了门槛...

即使是给单片机写51的汇编程序,大家也是会用到Keil的,不是吗?

即使是高手也使用IDE.

不用IDE的原因:1.为了学习了解程序的具体实现,2.优化程序,3.实在没有IDE好用.





> 。。。这可不是偏激一点

> 在 06-4-2，adolph bernie<tempnetbar at gmail.com> 写道：
>> 补充一下mikespook的话呵呵,说的再激进偏激一点,我觉得IDE是低能儿使用的:)无意冒犯,只是觉得IDE真的可恶帮初学者做好了一切隐藏了一切,其实都是在害人。（特别想提一下大坏蛋微软，不仅提供弱智的操作系统还提供弱智的IDE）


>> On 4/2/06, Geoffery>>>嘎瑞>>>XuLi <geofferyli at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > thanks
>> >
>> >
>> > On 4/2/06, mikespook <mikespook at gmail.com > wrote:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > IDE is evil～
>> > >
>> > > VIM is enough～
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > 在06-4-2，Geoffery>>>嘎瑞>>>XuLi < geofferyli at gmail.com> 写道：
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > 如题，谢谢
>> > >
>> > >
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个人感觉不同吧嘿嘿，算我没说过好了:)

On 4/2/06, PPLHOME <pplhome at yeah.net> wrote:
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>
> 大家不得不承认,使用IDE以后,程序的开发效率提高了许多,而且,IDE为初学者学习编程降底了门槛...
>
> 即使是给单片机写51的汇编程序,大家也是会用到Keil的,不是吗?
>
> 即使是高手也使用IDE.
>
> 不用IDE的原因:1.为了学习了解程序的具体实现,2.优化程序,3.实在没有IDE好用.
>
>
>
>
>
> > 。。。这可不是偏激一点
>
> > 在 06-4-2，adolph bernie<tempnetbar at gmail.com> 写道：
> >>
> 补充一下mikespook的话呵呵,说的再激进偏激一点,我觉得IDE是低能儿使用的:)无意冒犯,只是觉得IDE真的可恶帮初学者做好了一切隐藏了一切,其实都是在害人。（特别想提一下大坏蛋微软，不仅提供弱智的操作系统还提供弱智的IDE）
>
>
> >> On 4/2/06, Geoffery>>>嘎瑞>>>XuLi <geofferyli at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > thanks
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 4/2/06, mikespook <mikespook at gmail.com > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > IDE is evil～
> >> > >
> >> > > VIM is enough～
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > 在06-4-2，Geoffery>>>嘎瑞>>>XuLi < geofferyli at gmail.com> 写道：
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > 如题，谢谢
> >> > >
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Emacs下的python-mode也不错
C-c C-c就可以运行程序
On Sunday 02 April 2006 10:16, Geoffery>>>嘎瑞>>>XuLi wrote:
> thanks
>
> On 4/2/06, mikespook <mikespook at gmail.com> wrote:
> > IDE is evil～
> >
> > VIM is enough～
> >
> >
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不知道楼上的用的虾米编码呵呵在Gmail里乱成一片

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> EmacsϵÄpython-modeÒ²²»´í
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> On Sunday 02 April 2006 10:16, Geoffery>>>¸ÂÈð>>>XuLi wrote:
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帅哥你要知道说出去的话就是泼出去的水，不是你抽人一个嘴巴，再补一句我想打的不是你就可以抽身而退的

在 06-4-2，adolph bernie<tempnetbar at gmail.com> 写道：
> 个人感觉不同吧嘿嘿，算我没说过好了:)
>
>
> On 4/2/06, PPLHOME <pplhome at yeah.net> wrote:
> >
>
> 大家不得不承认,使用IDE以后,程序的开发效率提高了许多,而且,IDE为初学者学习编程降底了门槛...
>
> 即使是给单片机写51的汇编程序,大家也是会用到Keil的,不是吗?
>
> 即使是高手也使用IDE.
>
> 不用IDE的原因:1.为了学习了解程序的具体实现,2.优化程序,3.实在没有IDE好用.
>
>
>
>
>
> > 。。。这可不是偏激一点
>
> > 在 06-4-2，adolph bernie< tempnetbar at gmail.com> 写道：
> >>
> 补充一下mikespook的话呵呵,说的再激进偏激一点,我觉得IDE是低能儿使用的:)无意冒犯,只是觉得IDE真的可恶帮初学者做好了一切隐藏了一切,其实都是在害人。（特别想提一下大坏蛋微软，不仅提供弱智的操作系统还提供弱智的IDE）
>
>
> >> On 4/2/06, Geoffery>>>嘎瑞>>>XuLi < geofferyli at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > thanks
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 4/2/06, mikespook < mikespook at gmail.com > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > IDE is evil～
> >> > >
> >> > > VIM is enough～
> >> > >
> >> > >
>  >> > > 在06-4-2，Geoffery>>>嘎瑞>>>XuLi < geofferyli at gmail.com> 写道：
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > 如题，谢谢
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > --
> >> > >
> >>
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> >> > >
> >> > >
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> >> > >
> >> > > http://www.xxiyy.com
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Hi all,

大家要努力创建和谐社会哟...

哈哈,哈哈 ^_^

Best Regards,

2006年4月2日

> 帅哥你要知道说出去的话就是泼出去的水，不是你抽人一个嘴巴，再补一句我想打的不是你就可以抽身而退的

> 在 06-4-2，adolph bernie<tempnetbar at gmail.com> 写道：
>> 个人感觉不同吧嘿嘿，算我没说过好了:)


>> On 4/2/06, PPLHOME <pplhome at yeah.net> wrote:
>> >

>> 大家不得不承认,使用IDE以后,程序的开发效率提高了许多,而且,IDE为初学者学习编程降底了门槛...

>> 即使是给单片机写51的汇编程序,大家也是会用到Keil的,不是吗?

>> 即使是高手也使用IDE.

>> 不用IDE的原因:1.为了学习了解程序的具体实现,2.优化程序,3.实在没有IDE好用.





>> > 。。。这可不是偏激一点

>> > 在 06-4-2，adolph bernie< tempnetbar at gmail.com> 写道：
>> >>
>> 补充一下mikespook的话呵呵,说的再激进偏激一点,我觉得IDE是低能儿使用的:)无意冒犯,只是觉得IDE真的可恶帮初学者做好了一切隐藏了一切,其实都是在害人。（特别想提一下大坏蛋微软，不仅提供弱智的操作系统还提供弱智的IDE）


>> >> On 4/2/06, Geoffery>>>嘎瑞>>>XuLi < geofferyli at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > thanks
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On 4/2/06, mikespook < mikespook at gmail.com > wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > IDE is evil～
>> >> > >
>> >> > > VIM is enough～
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>>  >> > > 在06-4-2，Geoffery>>>嘎瑞>>>XuLi < geofferyli at gmail.com> 写道：
>> >> > > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > 如题，谢谢
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > --
>> >> > >
>> >>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >> > > python-chinese list
>> >> > > Python中文技术讨论邮件列表
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>> >> python-chinese-request at lists.python.cn
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>> >> python-chinese-request at lists.python.cn
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>> http://python.cn/mailman/listinfo/python-chinese
>> >> > >
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>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > --
>> >> > > mikespook & swill
>> >> > >
>> >> > > http://www.xxiyy.com
>> >> > > http://main.xxiyy.com
>> >> > > _______________________________________________
>> >> > > python-chinese
>> >> > > Post: send python-chinese at lists.python.cn
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>> >> >
>> >> >
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呵呵，兄台这么说就不厚道了：）

用汇编的那帮子人会说，俺觉得高级语言就是低能儿使用的，显然，高级语言把一切机器细节都隐藏了，其实都是在害人；就是高级语言这一帮子人，也得分个三六九等，用C的就说了，那Java，Python都是低能儿使用的，连内存管理都隐藏了，其实是在害人
：）




On 4/2/06, adolph bernie <tempnetbar at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> 补充一下mikespook的话呵呵,说的再激进偏激一点,我觉得IDE是低能儿使用的:)无意冒犯,只是觉得IDE真的可恶帮初学者做好了一切隐藏了一切,其实都是在害人。（特别想提一下大坏蛋微软，不仅提供弱智的操作系统还提供弱智的IDE）
>
>
> On 4/2/06, Geoffery>>>嘎瑞>>>XuLi <geofferyli at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > thanks
> >
> > On 4/2/06, mikespook <mikespook at gmail.com > wrote:
> > >
> > >  IDE is evil～
> > >
> > > VIM is enough～
> > >
> > >
> > > 在06-4-2，Geoffery>>>嘎瑞>>>XuLi < geofferyli at gmail.com> 写道：
> > > >
> > > >  如题，谢谢
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > mikespook & swill
> > >
> > > http://www.xxiyy.com
> > > http://main.xxiyy.com
> > >
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所以不要否定工具对于进步的意义

在 06-4-2，Robert Chen<search.pythoner at gmail.com> 写道：
>
> 呵呵，兄台这么说就不厚道了：）
>
> 用汇编的那帮子人会说，俺觉得高级语言就是低能儿使用的，显然，高级语言把一切机器细节都隐藏了，其实都是在害人；就是高级语言这一帮子人，也得分个三六九等，用C的就说了，那Java，Python都是低能儿使用的，连内存管理都隐藏了，其实是在害人
> ：）
>
>
>
>
>
> On 4/2/06, adolph bernie <tempnetbar at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> 补充一下mikespook的话呵呵,说的再激进偏激一点,我觉得IDE是低能儿使用的:)无意冒犯,只是觉得IDE真的可恶帮初学者做好了一切隐藏了一切,其实都是在害人。（特别想提一下大坏蛋微软，不仅提供弱智的操作系统还提供弱智的IDE）
> >
> >
> >
> > On 4/2/06, Geoffery>>>嘎瑞>>>XuLi < geofferyli at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > thanks
> > >
> > >
> > > On 4/2/06, mikespook <mikespook at gmail.com > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > IDE is evil～
> > > >
> > > > VIM is enough～
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 在06-4-2，Geoffery>>>嘎瑞>>>XuLi < geofferyli at gmail.com> 写道：
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 如题，谢谢
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
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On 4/2/06, xxmplus <xxmplus at gmail.com> wrote:
> 所以不要否定工具对于进步的意义
>
我认为工具肯定是有意义的，人之所以区别于其它动物就是人会制造和使用工具啊。

有些不同意使用工具的理由其实是从学习的角度来说，但这并不是工具造成的，而且学习的方式和方法造成的。工具本身是无罪的，若说它有罪是因为人强加于它的。

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试试komodo,我觉得很棒

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>
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说到Python的IDE，个人感觉最好的还是基于GTK的WingIDE，虽然慢了点，但是智能的函数感应和跳转功能都比Komodo好一些，对于懒人比较有用;-) 但是只支持Python，不像Komodo支持一大堆语言
偶用WingIDE调试多线程程序从没有出过问题，用komodo时不时地就没响应了 >_<
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  试试komodo,我觉得很棒


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well
没想到我的问题引起如此大的反响！
由于手头工作的性质，一开始，我只是想如果能找个能用的IDE，可以方便我阅读代码。没有考虑到这么多。
但是，听了大家的讨论后，深有感触！
我的观点是，做什么事用什么工具，根据项目的不同使用不同的开发工具是无可厚非的。好的IDE能够提高
工作效率，这是大家都认同的，这也是大家都希望的。不是吗？
不能把所有的罪恶都加到IDE上，IDE的出现本就是为了方便大家编程，方便大型项目的开发。

另外，我说句不好听的，不是能用VI，能用用Emacs的就觉得是高手了。我还老用VI来做文本的对比呢！
可我确实不少高手，呵呵

On 4/3/06, chris <chris at v2tech.com> wrote:
>
> 说到Python的IDE，个人感觉最好的还是基于GTK的WingIDE，虽然慢了点，但是智能的函数感应和跳转功能都比Komodo好一些，对于懒人比较有用;-)
> 但是只支持Python，不像Komodo支持一大堆语言
> 偶用WingIDE调试多线程程序从没有出过问题，用komodo时不时地就没响应了 >_<
>
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> 试试komodo,我觉得很棒
>
> 在06-4-2，Geoffery>>>嘎瑞>>>XuLi <geofferyli at gmail.com> 写道：
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你喜欢用什么就用什么
这个没必要讨论
不过人总有懒性，
习惯了ide的那种编辑方式
你的程序必然会效率下降
因为你会越来越不想去思考怎样去优化程序
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> 
> 
> 大家不得不承认,使用IDE以后,程序的开发效率提高了许多,而且,IDE为初学者学习编程降底了门槛...
> 
> 即使是给单片机写51的汇编程序,大家也是会用到Keil的,不是吗?
> 
> 即使是高手也使用IDE.
> 
> 不用IDE的原因:1.为了学习了解程序的具体实现,2.优化程序,3.实在没有IDE好用.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> 。。。这可不是偏激一点
> 
>> 在 06-4-2，adolph bernie<tempnetbar at gmail.com> 写道：
>>> 补充一下mikespook的话呵呵,说的再激进偏激一点,我觉得IDE是低能儿使用的:)无意冒犯,只是觉得IDE真的可恶帮初学者做好了一切隐藏了一切,其实都是在害人。（特别想提一下大坏蛋微软，不仅提供弱智的操作系统还提供弱智的IDE）
> 
> 
>>> On 4/2/06, Geoffery>>>嘎瑞>>>XuLi <geofferyli at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > thanks
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 4/2/06, mikespook <mikespook at gmail.com > wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > IDE is evil～
>>> > >
>>> > > VIM is enough～
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > 在06-4-2，Geoffery>>>嘎瑞>>>XuLi < geofferyli at gmail.com> 写道：
>>> > > >
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On 4/3/06, tim <bkkkd at 163.com> wrote:
> 你喜欢用什么就用什么
> 这个没必要讨论
> 不过人总有懒性，
> 习惯了ide的那种编辑方式
> 你的程序必然会效率下降
> 因为你会越来越不想去思考怎样去优化程序

现在的IDE还没有强大到可以真正替你去优化程序的地步，还是要靠你自已。怎么优化不是IDE告诉你的，是你告诉IDE的。没有必要惧怕和讨厌IDE。

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  个人感觉不同吧嘿嘿，算我没说过好了:)


  On 4/2/06, PPLHOME <pplhome at yeah.net> wrote:

    大家不得不承认,使用IDE以后,程序的开发效率提高了许多,而且,IDE为初学者学习编程降底了门槛...

    即使是给单片机写51的汇编程序,大家也是会用到Keil的,不是吗?

    即使是高手也使用IDE.

    不用IDE的原因:1.为了学习了解程序的具体实现,2.优化程序,3.实在没有IDE好用.





    > 。。。这可不是偏激一点

    > 在 06-4-2，adolph bernie< tempnetbar at gmail.com> 写道：
    >> 补充一下mikespook的话呵呵,说的再激进偏激一点,我觉得IDE是低能儿使用的:)无意冒犯,只是觉得IDE真的可恶帮初学者做好了一切隐藏了一切,其实都是在害人。（特别想提一下大坏蛋微软，不仅提供弱智的操作系统还提供弱智的IDE）


    >> On 4/2/06, Geoffery>>>嘎瑞>>>XuLi < geofferyli at gmail.com> wrote:
    >> >
    >> > thanks
    >> >
    >> >
    >> > On 4/2/06, mikespook < mikespook at gmail.com > wrote:
    >> > >
    >> > >
    >> > > IDE is evil～
    >> > >
    >> > > VIM is enough～
    >> > >
    >> > >
    >> > > 在06-4-2，Geoffery>>>嘎瑞>>>XuLi < geofferyli at gmail.com> 写道：
    >> > > >
    >> > >
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作为程序员，无论使用什么ide都应该至少熟练使用一种合格的程序员文本编辑
器，所谓程序员文本编辑器不仅仅是普通的编辑器，而是一个语法高亮，支持快捷
键自定义，自动完成，与编译环境结合，可以自定义宏键，支持多种编码，支持
unicode，代码模板这些功能。选择一个这样的编辑器并使用达到非常熟练，而不
仅仅是点点鼠标这样的能力。而vim ,emacs就是因为这些功能而成为程序员的最爱
的。其实有多少人能够将一款编辑器运用到这样的程度呢？就以windows下的
ultraedit，editplus等都有许多快捷功能让你挖掘的，像大家看一看ruby on
rail里视频，可以看到将一款texteditor运用到多么熟练了。
在开发程序的时候，合格的ide都可以自己配置的，配置成自己的习惯的样子，这
样使用的时候，你可以完全享受ide给你带来的便利，而同时又不改变自己的习惯。

Geoffery>>>嘎瑞>>>XuLi wrote:
> well
> 没想到我的问题引起如此大的反响！
> 由于手头工作的性质，一开始，我只是想如果能找个能用的IDE，可以方便我阅读
> 代码。没有考虑到这么多。
> 但是，听了大家的讨论后，深有感触！
> 我的观点是，做什么事用什么工具，根据项目的不同使用不同的开发工具是无可厚
> 非的。好的IDE能够提高
> 工作效率，这是大家都认同的，这也是大家都希望的。不是吗？
> 不能把所有的罪恶都加到IDE上，IDE的出现本就是为了方便大家编程，方便大型项
> 目的开发。
> 
> 另外，我说句不好听的，不是能用VI，能用用Emacs的就觉得是高手了。我还老用
> VI来做文本的对比呢！
> 可我确实不少高手，呵呵
> 
> On 4/3/06, *chris* <chris at v2tech.com chris at v2tech.com>> wrote:
> 
>     说到Python的IDE，个人感觉最好的还是基于GTK的WingIDE，虽然慢了点，但
>     是智能的函数感应和跳转功能都比Komodo好一些，对于懒人比较有用;-) 但是
>     只支持Python，不像Komodo支持一大堆语言
>     偶用WingIDE调试多线程程序从没有出过问题，用komodo时不时地就没响应了 >_<
> 
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* spr liu sprliu at gmail.com>
>     *To:* python-chinese at lists.python.cn
>     python-chinese at lists.python.cn>
>     *Sent:* Monday, April 03, 2006 10:03 AM
>     *Subject:* Re: [python-chinese] 在FreeBSD下有什么python的IDE吗？我用
>     的是RelaxFreeBSD
> 
>     试试komodo,我觉得很棒
> 
>     在06-4-2，*Geoffery>>>嘎瑞>>>XuLi* < geofferyli at gmail.com
>     geofferyli at gmail.com>> 写道：
> 
>         如题，谢谢
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