嘿嘿，我？我骂街了？什么词是禁忌呢？

On 8/1/06, Dreamingk(天成) <dreamingk at gmail.com> wrote:
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> 请注意你的言辞，这里不是骂街的地方。
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> On 8/1/06, Antediluvian <petercui at gmail.com> wrote:
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> > 呵呵，不小心打击到你的荣誉感了？sorry dude.
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> > On 8/1/06, lubiao <lubiao.py at gmail.com> wrote:
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> > On 8/1/06, Antediluvian <petercui at gmail.com > wrote:
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> > > 呵呵，程序员的母语是英语，格言啊！
> >
> >
> >
> > 中国人有朝鲜族的 母语是 朝鲜语，有蒙古族的，母语是 蒙古语，
> > 没他妈的听说哪个中国人 母语是 英语的，
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Some birds aren't meant to be caged. Their feathers are just too bright. And
when they fly away, the part of you that knows it was a sin to lock them up
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把学习英文的心态放轻松一点就好了。它只是工具，用得多了，也就熟了。

英语就是多读多看。硬着头皮上，几次过后就成了。

Python Manual可能并不适合你用来学Python的类库。我推荐Python in a Nutshell。

这里要说一句题外话。Programming Perl可能是我读过的文笔最好的技术书。行文流畅，而且极有文采。相形之下，Bruce
Eckel太野了，而Alex又太拘禁了。

On 8/1/06, 齐辰雄 <qcxhome at gmail.com> wrote:
> 把学习英文的心态放轻松一点就好了。它只是工具，用得多了，也就熟了。
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我读过的感觉最好的技术书是 Chales Petzold 的 

:)

> 这里要说一句题外话。Programming Perl可能是我读过的文笔最好的技术书。行文流畅，而且极有文采。相形之下，Bruce
> Eckel太野了，而Alex又太拘禁了。

On 8/2/06, Neil <chenrong2003 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 我读过的感觉最好的技术书是 Chales Petzold 的 
>
> :)
>
> > 这里要说一句题外话。Programming Perl可能是我读过的文笔最好的技术书。行文流畅，而且极有文采。相形之下，Bruce
> > Eckel太野了，而Alex又太拘禁了。
>
太家也太容易跑题了吧。与其如此还不如再开一个话题讨论呢。

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学英语的体会。

1. 单词是必须的。

但是你不一定要去背它(或许我已经积累了相当程度的单词量了，所以对现阶段的你未必适用)。就拿canonical来说吧。我第一次碰到这个单词的时候没查字典，糊里糊涂也就过去了。但是突然间，我发现canonical似乎是IT领域的一个常用词。到处都是canonical。什么canonical
name， canonical form， canonicalization,
canonically。于是我也就查了个字典，但是每次都记不住。如果就这个单词考一次的话，我大概得不及格了。我先后查过4，
5次字典，花了真正半年时间才记住canonical是什么意思。我说这话的意思是，看文档记单词不是考试。如果你只碰到过canonical
name，就无需知道canonical form。知道canonical
name是哪种name就行了，不必知道canonical是什么意思。如果这个单词到处出现，那你自然会去查字典的。单词出现的频度越高，字典查得越勤，记得也越快。

所以，要准备一本好的电子词典。比如dictionary.reference.com。到了一定程度之后，要学着用英文字典。不要再用中文去解释英文了。


2. 语法是有用的。

相信大家都有这样的经验，重要的内容通常都在长句子里，而长句子通常都很难理解。不光中国人有这个问题，老外在读长句子的时候其实也有问题。这里，我的最后解决方法是，分析语法结构，把细枝末节全部撇开，留下主语，谓语，宾语，搞清楚who
和what，然后才是how, when, where和why。这个办法通常很慢，但是作为最后的解决方法，一般都能奏效。

3. 挑选你喜欢读的东西读

每个人的文笔都不同。有的人就喜欢把句子写长，有的人就喜欢用短语。有的人句子写长了，别人就是读不懂，有的人即使写长句子也是井井有条的。如果你实在看不懂，同时还有
别的可以替代的资料，那么选另一个吧。与其折磨自己，不如先看能看懂的。说不定看完简单的，你就能看懂那个天书了。

4. 读一本有一定厚度的书。

读一本书，这不仅仅是阅读的训练，更会对你的信心产生潜移默化的暗示。首先，书不同于文章。文章可以一气呵成，而书里面要有起承转合。因此读书能跟全面地提高你的阅读能力。其次，一本书的厚度是一种资历，是一种信心。等你读完一本书之后，你会发现，你不再害怕英语了。



On 8/1/06, shhgs <shhgs.efhilt at gmail.com> wrote:
> 英语就是多读多看。硬着头皮上，几次过后就成了。
>
> Python Manual可能并不适合你用来学Python的类库。我推荐Python in a Nutshell。
>
> 这里要说一句题外话。Programming Perl可能是我读过的文笔最好的技术书。行文流畅，而且极有文采。相形之下，Bruce
> Eckel太野了，而Alex又太拘禁了。
>
> On 8/1/06, 齐辰雄 <qcxhome at gmail.com> wrote:
> > 把学习英文的心态放轻松一点就好了。它只是工具，用得多了，也就熟了。
> >
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基本同意，专业书籍上专业词汇就那么些，一回生二回熟，看着看着就认识了。另外，很多专业书籍都是平铺直叙，作者大多数是力求表述准确，不会和你咬文嚼字，没有GRE那种变态的长句，怕什么？

On 8/2/06, shhgs <shhgs.efhilt at gmail.com> wrote:
> 学英语的体会。
>
> 1. 单词是必须的。
>
> 但是你不一定要去背它(或许我已经积累了相当程度的单词量了，所以对现阶段的你未必适用)。就拿canonical来说吧。我第一次碰到这个单词的时候没查字典，糊里糊涂也就过去了。但是突然间，我发现canonical似乎是IT领域的一个常用词。到处都是canonical。什么canonical
> name， canonical form， canonicalization,
> canonically。于是我也就查了个字典，但是每次都记不住。如果就这个单词考一次的话，我大概得不及格了。我先后查过4，
> 5次字典，花了真正半年时间才记住canonical是什么意思。我说这话的意思是，看文档记单词不是考试。如果你只碰到过canonical
> name，就无需知道canonical form。知道canonical
> name是哪种name就行了，不必知道canonical是什么意思。如果这个单词到处出现，那你自然会去查字典的。单词出现的频度越高，字典查得越勤，记得也越快。
>
> 所以，要准备一本好的电子词典。比如dictionary.reference.com。到了一定程度之后，要学着用英文字典。不要再用中文去解释英文了。
>
>
> 2. 语法是有用的。
>
> 相信大家都有这样的经验，重要的内容通常都在长句子里，而长句子通常都很难理解。不光中国人有这个问题，老外在读长句子的时候其实也有问题。这里，我的最后解决方法是，分析语法结构，把细枝末节全部撇开，留下主语，谓语，宾语，搞清楚who
> 和what，然后才是how, when, where和why。这个办法通常很慢，但是作为最后的解决方法，一般都能奏效。
>
> 3. 挑选你喜欢读的东西读
>
> 每个人的文笔都不同。有的人就喜欢把句子写长，有的人就喜欢用短语。有的人句子写长了，别人就是读不懂，有的人即使写长句子也是井井有条的。如果你实在看不懂，同时还有
> 别的可以替代的资料，那么选另一个吧。与其折磨自己，不如先看能看懂的。说不定看完简单的，你就能看懂那个天书了。
>
> 4. 读一本有一定厚度的书。
>
> 读一本书，这不仅仅是阅读的训练，更会对你的信心产生潜移默化的暗示。首先，书不同于文章。文章可以一气呵成，而书里面要有起承转合。因此读书能跟全面地提高你的阅读能力。其次，一本书的厚度是一种资历，是一种信心。等你读完一本书之后，你会发现，你不再害怕英语了。
>
>
>
> On 8/1/06, shhgs <shhgs.efhilt at gmail.com> wrote:
> > 英语就是多读多看。硬着头皮上，几次过后就成了。
> >
> > Python Manual可能并不适合你用来学Python的类库。我推荐Python in a Nutshell。
> >
> > 这里要说一句题外话。Programming Perl可能是我读过的文笔最好的技术书。行文流畅，而且极有文采。相形之下，Bruce
> > Eckel太野了，而Alex又太拘禁了。
> >
> > On 8/1/06, 齐辰雄 <qcxhome at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > 把学习英文的心态放轻松一点就好了。它只是工具，用得多了，也就熟了。
> > >
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Best Regards,

Zachary Wu (Îâ°~ÀÚ)
Software Engineer, Enterprise Content Management FVT, IBM China Software
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Internet: xiaoleiw at cn.ibm.com
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   和limodou同感！我今年30岁，还感觉以后的路子长着呢，打算就做技术一辈子了。怎么也至少到50岁，才爽够了吧！　　
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> ||| PS:我35岁以后就回老家种地，养养鸵鸟、兔子什么的，倒个化肥农药，来钱轻松||| 又愉快，比TMD成天受辐射、噪音和老板的脾气舒服多了
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> 你跟我的职业规划一样。。。
> 不过我是打算最多28岁，没有成就就退出这该死的 IT 行业。。。
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既然认为这么没劲，何必要加入这个邮件列表呢？不如找个聊天的为好。

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同意，计算机书籍的英语，都很好读！
都是技术人员写的，不?
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如果真的是想学技术的话，最好同时学好英文――至少在阅读方面的能力！

对于目前国内的IT 行业，我也不是太看好，因为技术被严重地受到BS！！。但如果真的放弃继续在IT 工作的话，我也不会放弃继续学新的技术........

在06-8-2，and <andromeda100 at 126.com> 写道：
>
>    和limodou同感！我今年30岁，还感觉以后的路子长着呢，打算就做技术一辈子了。怎么也至少到50岁，才爽够了吧！
>    兴趣很重要
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> subject：Re: [python-chinese]关于Python 库参考手册 语言参考手册
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> On 8/1/06, IQDoctor <huanghao.c at gmail.com> wrote:
> > ||| PS:我35岁以后就回老家种地，养养鸵鸟、兔子什么的，倒个化肥农药，来钱轻松||| 又愉快，比TMD成天受辐射、噪音和老板的脾气舒服多了
> >
> > 你跟我的职业规划一样。。。
> > 不过我是打算最多28岁，没有成就就退出这该死的 IT 行业。。。
> >
> 既然认为这么没劲，何必要加入这个邮件列表呢？不如找个聊天的为好。
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