最近在弄一个站内搜索, 在 lucene 跟 xapian 中选, lucene 支持好像好点, 周边的小工具也多, 但本人不太想掺和 java 那摊事 ,
xapian 是c++ 的, 但不知是个否一成熟的project, scalability 跟稳定性不知如何.  正犹豫中, 所以想问问有用过 xapian
作为网站搜索的后台的吗 ? 如果有用, 又是如何跟python 对接的 ?
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"ra do" <rhapsodelico在gmail.com> writes:

> 最近在弄一个站内搜索, 在 lucene 跟 xapian 中选, lucene 支持好像好点, 周边的小工具也多, 但本人不太想掺和 java 那摊事 ,
> xapian 是c++ 的, 但不知是个否一成熟的project, scalability 跟稳定性不知如何.  正犹豫中, 所以想问问有用过 xapian
> 作为网站搜索的后台的吗 ? 如果有用, 又是如何跟python 对接的 ?

MoinMoin正在开发的新版本好像是使用xapian作搜索引擎

pyLucene²»ÊÇÒ»ÑùÓÃÂð?

2007/1/9, Zhang Yunfeng <zeroslug在163.com>:
>
> "ra do" <rhapsodelico在gmail.com> writes:
>
> > ×î½üÔÚŪһ¸öÕ¾ÄÚËÑË÷, ÔÚ lucene ¸ú xapian ÖÐÑ¡, lucene Ö§³ÖºÃÏñºÃµã, ÖܱߵÄС¹¤¾ßÒ²¶à, µ«±¾È˲»Ì«Ïë²ôºÍ java
> ÄÇ̯Ê ,
> > xapian ÊÇc++ µÄ, µ«²»ÖªÊǸö·ñÒ»³ÉÊìµÄproject, scalability ¸úÎȶ¨ÐÔ²»ÖªÈçºÎ.  ÕýÓÌÔ¥ÖÐ, ËùÒÔÏëÎÊÎÊÓÐÓùý
> xapian
> > ×÷ΪÍøÕ¾ËÑË÷µÄºǫ́µÄÂð ? Èç¹ûÓÐÓÃ, ÓÖÊÇÈçºÎ¸úpython ¶Ô½ÓµÄ ?
>
> MoinMoinÕýÔÚ¿ª·¢µÄа汾ºÃÏñÊÇʹÓÃxapian×÷ËÑË÷ÒýÇæ
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Re Liming_Do & 头太晕 : 用open source 的, 想尽量避免用旁枝的, 所以pylucene / Clucene 暂不考虑

Re Zhang Yunfeng : 请问 MoinMoin 你是指哪个 project , 有url吗 ?

或者我应该转问,  有没有人比较过lucene 跟xapian ? 各自的利弊是什么

 On 1/9/07, 头太晕 <torrycn at gmail.com> wrote:

> pyLucene不是一样用吗?
>
> 2007/1/9, Zhang Yunfeng <zeroslug at 163.com>:
> >
> > "ra do" <rhapsodelico at gmail.com> writes:
> >
> > > 最近在弄一个站内搜索, 在 lucene 跟 xapian 中选, lucene 支持好像好点, 周边的小工具也多, 但本人不太想掺和
> > java 那摊事 ,
> > > xapian 是c++ 的, 但不知是个否一成熟的project, scalability 跟稳定性不知如何.  正犹豫中,
> > 所以想问问有用过 xapian
> > > 作为网站搜索的后台的吗 ? 如果有用, 又是如何跟python 对接的 ?
> >
> > MoinMoin正在开发的新版本好像是使用xapian作搜索引擎
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"ra do" <rhapsodelico在gmail.com> writes:

> Re Liming_Do & 头太晕 : 用open source 的, 想尽量避免用旁枝的, 所以pylucene / Clucene 暂不考虑
>
> Re Zhang Yunfeng : 请问 MoinMoin 你是指哪个 project , 有url吗 ?

MoinMoin是一个Python编写的wiki软件 

http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de

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On 1/9/07, ra do <rhapsodelico在gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  Re Liming_Do & Í·Ì«ÔÎ : ÓÃopen source µÄ, Ï뾡Á¿±ÜÃâÓÃÅÔÖ¦µÄ, ËùÒÔpylucene / Clucene Ôݲ»¿¼ÂÇ
>
> Re Zhang Yunfeng : ÇëÎÊ MoinMoin ÄãÊÇÖ¸Äĸö project , ÓÐurlÂð ?
>
> »òÕßÎÒÓ¦¸ÃתÎÊ,  ÓÐûÓÐÈ˱ȽϹýlucene ¸úxapian ? ¸÷×ÔµÄÀû±×ÊÇʲô
>
>  On 1/9/07, Í·Ì«ÔÎ <torrycn在gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > pyLucene²»ÊÇÒ»ÑùÓÃÂð?
> >
> > 2007/1/9, Zhang Yunfeng <zeroslug在163.com>:
> > >
> > > "ra do" < rhapsodelico在gmail.com> writes:
> > >
> > > > ×î½üÔÚŪһ¸öÕ¾ÄÚËÑË÷, ÔÚ lucene ¸ú xapian ÖÐÑ¡, lucene Ö§³ÖºÃÏñºÃµã, ÖܱߵÄС¹¤¾ßÒ²¶à, µ«±¾È˲»Ì«Ïë²ôºÍ
> > > java ÄÇ̯Ê ,
> > > > xapian ÊÇc++ µÄ, µ«²»ÖªÊǸö·ñÒ»³ÉÊìµÄproject, scalability ¸úÎȶ¨ÐÔ²»ÖªÈçºÎ.  ÕýÓÌÔ¥ÖÐ,
> > > ËùÒÔÏëÎÊÎÊÓÐÓùý xapian
> > > > ×÷ΪÍøÕ¾ËÑË÷µÄºǫ́µÄÂð ? Èç¹ûÓÐÓÃ, ÓÖÊÇÈçºÎ¸úpython ¶Ô½ÓµÄ ?
> > >
> > > MoinMoinÕýÔÚ¿ª·¢µÄа汾ºÃÏñÊÇʹÓÃxapian×÷ËÑË÷ÒýÇæ
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On 1/9/07, ra do <rhapsodelico在gmail.com> wrote: 所以想问问有用过
> xapian 作为网站搜索的后台的吗 ?

gmane 用的 xapian.

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谢谢 Robert 的指路. 很同意社区活跃度应该是比较大的分别, 一些周边的小工具, lucene看起来比较多, 短期开发的可以省不少事,
两者核心效能可以想象不会差太远, 而且可能更多的是看自身的应用.


On 1/10/07, Robert Chen <search.pythoner at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 没用过Xapian，但据我所知，Xapian
> 的历史要比Lucene悠久，而且在它背后有很多IR检索领域的专家，所以成熟度，稳定性应该不比Lucene差。
>
> 在功能方面，Xapian与Lucene应该不相上下，一般的索引建立，多种Query类型支持，Query解析，多文档格式支持都不在话下。
>
> 至于差别方面，可能最大的在于社区的活跃度，显然，Lucene的文档（中文文档）要比Xapian丰富一些，当然，这些不是太大的问题。
> 另外一个显著的差别在于Lucene是基于向量空间模型的检索模型，而Xapian
> 基于的是概率模型，当然这些模型的差别可能只是搞学术的需要关注的，实际应用中，检索结果差别应该不大。至于检索的效率，对于站内搜索而言，一般都可以胜任。
>
> 对于Python而言，Xapian通过SWIG可以支持Python，倒是Lucene的PyLucene，不知道其效率如何 ：）
>
> 希望这些信息对你有帮助 ：）
>
> On 1/9/07, ra do <rhapsodelico at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >  Re Liming_Do & 头太晕 : 用open source 的, 想尽量避免用旁枝的, 所以pylucene / Clucene
> > 暂不考虑
> >
> > Re Zhang Yunfeng : 请问 MoinMoin 你是指哪个 project , 有url吗 ?
> >
> > 或者我应该转问,  有没有人比较过lucene 跟xapian ? 各自的利弊是什么
> >
> >  On 1/9/07, 头太晕 <torrycn at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > pyLucene不是一样用吗?
> > >
> > > 2007/1/9, Zhang Yunfeng <zeroslug at 163.com>:
> > > >
> > > > "ra do" < rhapsodelico at gmail.com> writes:
> > > >
> > > > > 最近在弄一个站内搜索, 在 lucene 跟 xapian 中选, lucene 支持好像好点, 周边的小工具也多,
> > > > 但本人不太想掺和 java 那摊事 ,
> > > > > xapian 是c++ 的, 但不知是个否一成熟的project, scalability 跟稳定性不知如何.  正犹豫中,
> > > > 所以想问问有用过 xapian
> > > > > 作为网站搜索的后台的吗 ? 如果有用, 又是如何跟python 对接的 ?
> > > >
> > > > MoinMoin正在开发的新版本好像是使用xapian作搜索引擎
> > > > _______________________________________________
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> On 1/10/07, Robert Chen < search.pythoner在gmail.com> wrote:
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> > ûÓùýXapian £¬µ«¾ÝÎÒËùÖª£¬Xapian
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> > On 1/9/07, ra do <rhapsodelico在gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >  Re Liming_Do & Í·Ì«ÔÎ : ÓÃopen source µÄ, Ï뾡Á¿±ÜÃâÓÃÅÔÖ¦µÄ, ËùÒÔpylucene / Clucene
> > > Ôݲ»¿¼ÂÇ
> > >
> > > Re Zhang Yunfeng : ÇëÎÊ MoinMoin ÄãÊÇÖ¸Äĸö project , ÓÐurlÂð ?
> > >
> > > »òÕßÎÒÓ¦¸ÃתÎÊ,  ÓÐûÓÐÈ˱ȽϹýlucene ¸úxapian ? ¸÷×ÔµÄÀû±×ÊÇʲô
> > >
> > >  On 1/9/07, Í·Ì«ÔÎ <torrycn在gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > pyLucene²»ÊÇÒ»ÑùÓÃÂð?
> > > >
> > > > 2007/1/9, Zhang Yunfeng <zeroslug在163.com>:
> > > > >
> > > > > "ra do" < rhapsodelico在gmail.com> writes:
> > > > >
> > > > > > ×î½üÔÚŪһ¸öÕ¾ÄÚËÑË÷, ÔÚ lucene ¸ú xapian ÖÐÑ¡, lucene Ö§³ÖºÃÏñºÃµã, ÖܱߵÄС¹¤¾ßÒ²¶à,
> > > > > µ«±¾È˲»Ì«Ïë²ôºÍ java ÄÇ̯Ê ,
> > > > > > xapian ÊÇc++ µÄ, µ«²»ÖªÊǸö·ñÒ»³ÉÊìµÄproject, scalability ¸úÎȶ¨ÐÔ²»ÖªÈçºÎ.  ÕýÓÌÔ¥ÖÐ,
> > > > > ËùÒÔÏëÎÊÎÊÓÐÓùý xapian
> > > > > > ×÷ΪÍøÕ¾ËÑË÷µÄºǫ́µÄÂð ? Èç¹ûÓÐÓÃ, ÓÖÊÇÈçºÎ¸úpython ¶Ô½ÓµÄ ?
> > > > >
> > > > > MoinMoinÕýÔÚ¿ª·¢µÄа汾ºÃÏñÊÇʹÓÃxapian×÷ËÑË÷ÒýÇæ
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