On 4/10/07, 麦田守望者 <qcxhome at gmail.com> wrote:
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> On 4/9/07, 黄毅 <yi.codeplayer at gmail.com> wrote:
> > python 的 unicode 对象和 python 的 string 也完全不同，它不以某种特定的编码保存字符串，所以 unicode
> 对象也不能像string 那样当作字节流来用
>
> 什么是unicode对象？我个人认为，没有必要把unicode对象和字符串分开来对象。
> 字符串是一个抽象的概念。对于不同的需求，在字符串中，一个字符可以是一个字节，也可一个unicode字符。它们都是字符串。
>
>
> 在unicode出现之后，字符和字符串的概念有了双重含义。一个字节不一定是一个字符，反之亦然。字符应该理解为真实世界中的一个文字，比如英文的"P"和中文的"中"。
>
>
> 在网络中传输字符串的时候，操作系统只认识字节，并不知道它们代表的含义。所以需要把字符串编码（encode）成字节序列在进行传输，接收方必须再解码（decode）才能把"无意义"一堆字节还原成人可以看得懂的一堆字符，即一段文字。
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python3000 中就可以不用区分 unicode 对象和字符串了，到时候的字符串就是现在的 unicode 对象，到时候的
*bytes *类型等于是现在的
str 类型。

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如何把code point表示出来，就是encoding和decoding的问题了，所以就会有UTF-8， UTF-16和UTF-32。

On 4/10/07, jessinio smith <jessinio在gmail.com> wrote:
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> 从http://blog.csdn.net/inelm/archive/2004/11/29/197466.aspx看到：
>
> 很多人还存在这样的误解： Unicode 仅仅是 16 位的这么简单，每个字符占 16 位，所以一共有 65536 个可能的字符。
> 然而，这是错误的。不过不要紧，因为这是大部分人都会犯的一个普遍的错误。
>
> 实际上，Unicode 理解字符的方式是截然不同的，而这是我们必须了解的。
> 到目前为止，我们都曾经认为：一个字符对应到一些在磁盘上或内存中储存的位（bits）. 如： A -> 0100 0001
>
> 而在 Unicode 中， 一个字符实际上对应一种叫做 code point 的东西。
>
> 每一个字母表中的每一个抽象的字母，都被赋予了一个数字，比如 U+0645. 这个叫做 code point.
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> On 4/10/07, Neil(木野狐) <chenrong2003在gmail.com> wrote:
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> > 很久之前我翻译的一个：
> > http://blog.csdn.net/inelm/archive/2004/11/29/197466.aspx
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> > 在 07-4-10，jessinio smith<jessinio在gmail.com > 写道：
> > > 这些我都知道。
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On 4/10/07, Adieu <adieu在adieu.cn> wrote:
> 插两句嘴。可以这样理解unicode：
>
> 世界上所有的文字都是一种符号，unicode就是一个电子化的和文字符号一对一的指向。
> 就好比世界上的所有人其实都是人，人们建立了一种电子化的和每个人对应的一对一指向。
>
> 这样就解释了unicode都是1的问题，因为不管是指向一个符号，还是指向一个人，都是一对一的过程。
>
> utf8，gbk等编码就好比人的不同的名字，他有可能叫jessinio
> smith，那么这个名字就占14位，他有可能有个中文名字，那么就占2到3位。
>
> 所以unicode到底占几位其实不重要，管它在内存中是怎么存的，反正每个字有个对映的unicode编码就可以了，只要保证一对一就没有问题
>
> 然后我们在使用的时候往往是将unicode进行编码，输出成一个我们看得懂的表现形式来查看
>
> On 4/10/07, jessinio smith <jessinio在gmail.com> wrote:
> > 从
> http://blog.csdn.net/inelm/archive/2004/11/29/197466.aspx看到：
> >
> >
> > 很多人还存在这样的误解： Unicode 仅仅是 16 位的这么简单，每个字符占 16 位，所以一共有 65536 个可能的字符。
> > 然而，这是错误的。不过不要紧，因为这是大部分人都会犯的一个普遍的错误。
> >
> > 实际上，Unicode 理解字符的方式是截然不同的，而这是我们必须了解的。
> > 到目前为止，我们都曾经认为：一个字符对应到一些在磁盘上或内存中储存的位（bits）. 如： A -> 0100
> 0001
> >
> > 而在 Unicode 中， 一个字符实际上对应一种叫做 code point 的东西。
> >
> > 每一个字母表中的每一个抽象的字母，都被赋予了一个数字，比如 U+0645. 这个叫做 code point.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 4/10/07, Neil(木野狐) < chenrong2003在gmail.com> wrote:
> > > 很久之前我翻译的一个：
> > >
> http://blog.csdn.net/inelm/archive/2004/11/29/197466.aspx
> > >
> > > 在 07-4-10，jessinio smith<jessinio在gmail.com > 写道：
> > > > 这些我都知道。
> > > >
上次会课时有提到:
http://wiki.woodpecker.org.cn/moin/BPUG/2007-03-03
 * http://thetruedelight.blogspot.com/2007/01/facts-about-unicode-which-you-might-not.html
提问的兄弟，你说的 unicode 和你实际使用的 utf-8 等等不是同一事物；

不过大家好象忘了另一初始问题： 如果是变长的，又是如何知道哪些字节是对应什么中文？

通过学习，俺可以这么白话一下：
在 unicode 之前，各种编码都是定长码表形式，对中文就容易造成高位相同，如果编码指定不对或是传输时有残缺就整篇文档解析错乱！
在 unicode 之后，不论是 utf-* 多少，使用了同样的声明串格式，在每个编码字符串的开始有专门字节表达本字码将有多长，
这样即使有传输残缺也只会造成个别字解析错乱。

所以，不论一个中文字在 utf-* 中各是使用多少字节记录，或是使用什么统计方式排序，或是否定长，大家只要记住使用 utf-*
来处理中文最靠谱,Python 内部所有字符默认使用 unicode 来传送的,就OK;

遇见具体实例 len() 一下就好了,不用费心理解的,是也乎? ;-)

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在 2007-04-11三的 20:54 +0800，Zoom.Quiet写道：
> Python 内部所有字符默认使用 unicode 来传送的,就OK;
> 

在python中，unicode string是python的一种数据类型，并不是所有的字符默认使
用unicode格式。如果看python的源码unicodeobject.h和.c，可以看到unicode
object默认的存储是UCS-4 (如果编译选项--enable-unicode=ucs4没改的话），也
就是4个字节。然后再根据codec来转换成utf-8, utf-16, gb2312, ....

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> 在 2007-04-11三的 20:54 +0800，Zoom.Quiet写道：
> > Python 内部所有字符默认使用 unicode 来传送的,就OK;
> >
>
> 在python中，unicode string是python的一种数据类型，并不是所有的字符默认使
> 用unicode格式。如果看python的源码unicodeobject.h和.c，可以看到unicode
> object默认的存储是UCS-4 (如果编译选项--enable-unicode=ucs4没改的话），也
> 就是4个字节。然后再根据codec来转换成utf-8, utf-16, gb2312, ....
>
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On 4/11/07, wentrue(I'm Once) <guozhuwen在gmail.com> wrote:
> 你可能没理解我的意思，我从你给出的链接的引文来解释一下：
>
> "UTF-8用1到6个字节编码UNICODE字符。
> 如果UNICODE字符由2个字节表示，则编码成UTF-8很可能需要3个字节，
> 而如果UNICODE字符由4个字节表示，则编码成UTF-8可能需要6个字节。
> 用4个或6个字节去编码一个UNICODE字符可能太多了，但很少会遇到那样的UNICODE字符。 "
> …………………………
> "实际表示ASCII字符的UNICODE字符，将会编码成1个字节，并且UTF-8表示与ASCII字符表示是一样的。
> 所有其他的UNCODE字符转化成UTF-8将需要至少2个字节。每个字节由一个换码序列开始。第一个字节
> 由唯一的换码序列，由n位1加一位0组成。n位1表示字符编码所需的字节数。 "
>
> 从全球的范围而言，ASCII字符的使用频度是最高的，所以用最少的字节来存储它们在概率上是节省存储与传输量的。
> 其它的字符为了可进行区分开来，使用的字节数可能比unicode的定义引用字节数要多。
> 但注意红色引文，UTF-8中多字节编码的往往是较稀少的字符，这其实也正说明了根据
> 使用频度来选择编码字节数的关系，当然这样的选择不是参考一两个字符的频度，
> 而是某个字符子集的频度。对于不同的地区，参照这一原则，都会有稍微不同的地区UTF-8编码。
>

太牵强了。反正是没人通用频度来解释utf-8，你的说法我是第一次见到。你是首创。

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On 4/13/07, Adieu <adieu在adieu.cn> wrote:
> unicode的问题可能是新人都会遇到的问题，我前段时间也迷茫了好一阵。不管这次讨论的结果是什么，建议整理一份东西到wiki中。这样下次有新加入的人弄不明白了，大家就可以说，你先去wiki上看了再看看有什么不明白的再问，效率就高了。避免老大们同样的话说N次，呵呵。
>
是也乎,快速组织了一下
http://wiki.woodpecker.org.cn/moin/PythonicUnicode

其实啄木鸟维基中有关文章是很有积累的,
大家帮忙看总结的图谱是否够用?!


>
> On 4/12/07, limodou <limodou在gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 4/11/07, wentrue(I'm Once) < guozhuwen在gmail.com> wrote:
> > > 你可能没理解我的意思，我从你给出的链接的引文来解释一下：
> > >
> > > "UTF-8用1到6个字节编码UNICODE字符。
> > > 如果UNICODE字符由2个字节表示，则编码成UTF-8很可能需要3个字节，
> > > 而如果UNICODE字符由4个字节表示，则编码成UTF-8可能需要6个字节。
> > > 用4个或6个字节去编码一个UNICODE字符可能太多了，但很少会遇到那样的UNICODE字符。 "
> > > …………………………
> > >
> "实际表示ASCII字符的UNICODE字符，将会编码成1个字节，并且UTF-8表示与ASCII字符表示是一样的。
> > > 所有其他的UNCODE字符转化成UTF-8将需要至少2个字节。每个字节由一个换码序列开始。第一个字节
> > > 由唯一的换码序列，由n位1加一位0组成。n位1表示字符编码所需的字节数。 "
> > >
> > > 从全球的范围而言，ASCII字符的使用频度是最高的，所以用最少的字节来存储它们在概率上是节省存储与传输量的。
> > > 其它的字符为了可进行区分开来，使用的字节数可能比unicode的定义引用字节数要多。
> > > 但注意红色引文，UTF-8中多字节编码的往往是较稀少的字符，这其实也正说明了根据
> > > 使用频度来选择编码字节数的关系，当然这样的选择不是参考一两个字符的频度，
> > > 而是某个字符子集的频度。对于不同的地区，参照这一原则，都会有稍微不同的地区UTF-8编码。
> > >
> >
> > 太牵强了。反正是没人通用频度来解释utf-8，你的说法我是第一次见到。你是首创。
> >
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On 4/13/07, jessinio smith <jessinio在gmail.com> wrote:
> 啄木鸟维基　　我还不是很会用.为什么有一些文章只有题目没有内容的？
比如说?
如果的确没有内容的,那是作者只开了头没有完成而已,

维基,不是啄木鸟专门的,是流行MoinMoin 系统,最易用的一种维基系统;
不要学习,直接使用就好,
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> On 4/13/07, Adieu <adieu在adieu.cn> wrote:
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