如果不是有total commander,我连资源管理器都准备用emacs代替了

在 07-12-26，lukai<lukai1984在gmail.com> 写道：
> Of course!
> You can use emacs both on Windows and Linux!
>
>
> On Dec 26, 2007 2:30 PM, Kula <kulasama在gmail.com> wrote:
> > 我想说的是..那些说emacs好的人你们平常用的编辑器真的是emacs吗？
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Dec 26, 2007 2:05 PM, Arui Zen <dujunfly在gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > 是不是要OT到底?!
> > >
> > >
> 如果没有emacs我会选Ulipad,如果没有Ulipad就用vim,如果还是没有那就随便找个有语法高亮的Notepad凑合好了.当然要是有时间,自己倒腾一个最好.想咋用咋用!
> > >
> > >
> > > 在07-12-26，小多 < kid.duo在gmail.com> 写道：
> > >
> > > > On Dec 26, 2007 9:25 AM, jessinio liang < jessinio在gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > 有没有拥有像ulipad的强劲补全功能,又有vim的灵活操作的编辑器呢??
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 一直在寻找中呀.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > > 可以试试 Komodo IDE , 补齐很强大，还有 vi 的按键绑定。
> > > >
> http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/docs/Komodo/4.2/komodo-doc-vikeybind.html
> > > >
> > > > - Duo
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Please excuse me for my non-native English :)
> > > >
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问题二，emacs有说的那么好吗？至少。写java比不过eclipse...中文化也不好。
脚本也是小众化的lisp.而且快捷键和大家平常熟悉的windows和linux桌面环境的快捷键不同。容易混淆。

On Dec 26, 2007 2:42 PM, 樊帆 <fanfan19830910 at gmail.com> wrote:

> 如果不是有total commander,我连资源管理器都准备用emacs代替了
>
> 在 07-12-26，lukai<lukai1984 at gmail.com> 写道：
> > Of course!
> > You can use emacs both on Windows and Linux!
> >
> >
> > On Dec 26, 2007 2:30 PM, Kula <kulasama at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > 我想说的是..那些说emacs好的人你们平常用的编辑器真的是emacs吗？
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Dec 26, 2007 2:05 PM, Arui Zen <dujunfly at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > 是不是要OT到底?!
> > > >
> > > >
> > 如果没有emacs我会选Ulipad,如果没有Ulipad就用vim,如果还是没有那就随便找个有语法高亮的Notepad凑合好了.当然要是有时间
> ,自己倒腾一个最好.想咋用咋用!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 在07-12-26，小多 < kid.duo at gmail.com> 写道：
> > > >
> > > > > On Dec 26, 2007 9:25 AM, jessinio liang < jessinio at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > 有没有拥有像ulipad的强劲补全功能,又有vim的灵活操作的编辑器呢??
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 一直在寻找中呀.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > python-chinese
> > > > > > Post: send python-chinese at lists.python.cn
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> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 可以试试 Komodo IDE , 补齐很强大，还有 vi 的按键绑定。
> > > > >
> >
> http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/docs/Komodo/4.2/komodo-doc-vikeybind.html
> > > > >
> > > > > - Duo
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Please excuse me for my non-native English :)
> > > > >
> > > > > - http://www.aragonconsultinggroup.com
> > > > > - http://groups.google.com/group/acg-school
> > > > > _______________________________________________
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emacs在保证功能的基础上子足够快。
我写Java程序用eclipse，目的也是为了自动import和快速执行。所以一般我写Java都是emacs和Eclipse同时开着。

至于快捷键的问题，只能说linux学习windows，而windows没有学习emacs罢了。

On Dec 26, 2007 2:52 PM, Kula <kulasama at gmail.com> wrote:
> 问题二，emacs有说的那么好吗？至少。写java比不过eclipse...中文化也不好。脚本也是小众化的lisp.而且快捷键和大家平常熟悉的windows和linux桌面环境的快捷键不同。容易混淆。
>
>
>
> On Dec 26, 2007 2:42 PM, 樊帆 <fanfan19830910 at gmail.com > wrote:
> > 如果不是有total commander,我连资源管理器都准备用emacs代替了
> >
> > 在 07-12-26，lukai< lukai1984 at gmail.com> 写道：
> >
> >
> >
> > > Of course!
> > > You can use emacs both on Windows and Linux!
> > >
> > >
> > > On Dec 26, 2007 2:30 PM, Kula < kulasama at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > 我想说的是..那些说emacs好的人你们平常用的编辑器真的是emacs吗？
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Dec 26, 2007 2:05 PM, Arui Zen < dujunfly at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > 是不是要OT到底?!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> 如果没有emacs我会选Ulipad,如果没有Ulipad就用vim,如果还是没有那就随便找个有语法高亮的Notepad凑合好了.当然要是有时间,自己倒腾一个最好.想咋用咋用!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 在07-12-26，小多 < kid.duo at gmail.com> 写道：
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Dec 26, 2007 9:25 AM, jessinio liang < jessinio at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > 有没有拥有像ulipad的强劲补全功能,又有vim的灵活操作的编辑器呢??
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 一直在寻找中呀.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > python-chinese
> > > > > > > Post: send python-chinese at lists.python.cn
> > > > > > > Subscribe: send subscribe to
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> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 可以试试 Komodo IDE , 补齐很强大，还有 vi 的按键绑定。
> > > > > >
> > >
> http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/docs/Komodo/4.2/komodo-doc-vikeybind.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > > - Duo
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Please excuse me for my non-native English :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > - http://www.aragonconsultinggroup.com
> > > > > > - http://groups.google.com/group/acg-school
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-- 
Weiming Yin

Eclipse is more efficient for Java programming, maybe. I also write Java
code with eclipse. But we can live in emacs. You can write c++/python/tex
with it, which can make your work more efficient  by its built-in  many
language support.

When you justice a editor as good or bad. First of all, you should be
professional to use it. Or, just be smart, choose the most suitable one  for
yourself !


On Dec 26, 2007 2:52 PM, Kula <kulasama在gmail.com> wrote:

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>
> On Dec 26, 2007 2:42 PM, ·®·« <fanfan19830910在gmail.com > wrote:
>
> > Èç¹û²»ÊÇÓÐtotal commander,ÎÒÁ¬×ÊÔ´¹ÜÀíÆ÷¶¼×¼±¸ÓÃemacs´úÌæÁË
> >
> > ÔÚ 07-12-26£¬lukai< lukai1984在gmail.com> дµÀ£º
> > > Of course!
> > > You can use emacs both on Windows and Linux!
> > >
> > >
> > > On Dec 26, 2007 2:30 PM, Kula < kulasama在gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > ÎÒÏë˵µÄÊÇ..ÄÇЩ˵emacsºÃµÄÈËÄãÃÇƽ³£Óõı༭Æ÷ÕæµÄÊÇemacsÂð£¿
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Dec 26, 2007 2:05 PM, Arui Zen < dujunfly在gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > ÊDz»ÊÇÒªOTµ½µ×?!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > Èç¹ûûÓÐemacsÎÒ»áÑ¡Ulipad,Èç¹ûûÓÐUlipad¾ÍÓÃvim,
> > Èç¹û»¹ÊÇûÓÐÄǾÍËæ±ãÕÒ¸öÓÐÓï·¨¸ßÁÁµÄNotepad´ÕºÏºÃÁË.µ±È»ÒªÊÇÓÐʱ¼ä,×Ô¼ºµ¹ÌÚÒ»¸ö×îºÃ.ÏëÕ¦ÓÃÕ¦ÓÃ!
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > > >
> > > > > > On Dec 26, 2007 9:25 AM, jessinio liang < jessinio在gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > ÓÐûÓÐÓµÓÐÏñulipadµÄÇ¿¾¢²¹È«¹¦ÄÜ,ÓÖÓÐvimµÄÁé»î²Ù×÷µÄ±à¼­Æ÷ÄØ??
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> > > > > >
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> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Please excuse me for my non-native English :)
> > > > > >
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>
> > Èç¹û²»ÊÇÓÐtotal commander,ÎÒÁ¬×ÊÔ´¹ÜÀíÆ÷¶¼×¼±¸ÓÃemacs´úÌæÁË
> >
> > ÔÚ 07-12-26£¬lukai< lukai1984在gmail.com> дµÀ£º
> >  > Of course!
> > > You can use emacs both on Windows and Linux!
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我觉得大家(包括我自己)看问题都很片面,我试着不带主观因素来评价这个事情。
首先说一下历史，相信很多人都听说过VI和Emacs两大阵营对立的事情，而且到现在这个状况都还是没有改变的，不管是哪一方都是自成体系，只要深入其中都是森罗万象，都是手中工具之宝。VI是从廉价机器上发展开来的，所以其设计就是尽量简洁，从大部分常用操作只需要一键完成就可以看出来；而emacs一出生就是高端机器，最差也是报废了的PDP，所以其设计思想一开始就是功能强大为目的。讨论VI或者Emacs是否值得认识学习掌握完全是愤青的行为！就凭他们几十年来牢固不变的地位这一点就值得你屈尊降贵。
作为众多后起之秀的新时代的编辑器，如果不能继承老前辈的某些优点，再创新一些，基本上没有生存的价值，而金子是淘出来的，新型的编辑器设计强大、内涵高雅的会最终进入经典编辑器的行列，和VI，Emacs等长存下去。
对于新的编辑器，我可以毫不客气的说，和VI，Emacs比起来，你们还太嫩，要学习的还很多。
所以喜欢新编辑器的同学没必要讨论比较抵触VI，Emacs，这就好比你嘲笑自己的爷爷辈人动作缓慢，吃饭吐沫一样，是可笑的；而用VI，Emacs的同学也没必要去看低那些用新编辑器的同学，掌握了老辈人的学识更应该懂得长江后浪推前浪，社会是不断发展的。
而实际点，用编辑器都是为了完成工作，只要能完成自己工作的就是好的编辑器。
大家尽管扔砖。

在 07-12-27，Zhou Honglin<zhou.honglin在gmail.com> 写道：
> 俺们学生也来趟趟这趟浑水~
> >问题二，emacs有说的那么好吗？至少。写java比不过eclipse...
> jde, ecb
> >中文化也不好。
> 乃是指XEmacs么？GNU Emacs现在中文支持相当好啊
> >脚本也是小众化的lisp.
> ……
> >而且快捷键和大家平常熟悉的windows和linux桌面环境的快捷键不同。容易混淆。
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emacs 好用的，emacs23 对unicode支持很好，为什么不用呢？
基本上什么都是emacs写的，有的时候用emacs里的M-x shell来当terminal使。

另，每次看到别人的好玩东西就往自己.emacs里面加，结果越加启动越慢^_^。
再另，不知道用emacs的各位用手的什么地方来按 Ctrl 的，以前用小指头，有点受不了，现在改用手掌来按了。

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我在非简体中文XP下使用emacs，输入简体中文会有乱码，看.emacs中也设上了utf8，也不知还有哪里需要设置？

vim只要设置为utf8后倒是万事OK。

不过说起编程世界中各种PK，此起彼伏，对新人来说还真是热闹，总得来说都没有多大意义。


在 07-12-27，Chuan Qin<anewrer在gmail.com> 写道：
> emacs 好用的，emacs23 对unicode支持很好，为什么不用呢？
> 基本上什么都是emacs写的，有的时候用emacs里的M-x shell来当terminal使。
>
> 另，每次看到别人的好玩东西就往自己.emacs里面加，结果越加启动越慢^_^。
> 再另，不知道用emacs的各位用手的什么地方来按 Ctrl 的，以前用小指头，有点受不了，现在改用手掌来按了。
>
>  在07-12-26，Kula <kulasama在gmail.com> 写道：
> > 我想说的是..那些说emacs好的人你们平常用的编辑器真的是emacs吗？
> >
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关于怎么按Ctrl的问题。 我现在把Caps Lock键改成Ctrl键了。 
在Windows XP可以通过注册表来改。

从一篇叫Effective Emacs的文章上学的：（文章上是把Caps Lock跟Left Ctrl互换。 我用起来很不习惯。 我自己配置成Caps Lock跟right Ctrl互换了。
我的配置是 （写到一个.reg, 然后双击导入注册表， 然后注销重新登录就行了）：

REGEDIT4  
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Keyboard Layout]  
"Scancode Map"= hex: 00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,03,00,00,00,3a,00,1d,e0,1d,e0,3a,00,00,00,00,00 

）
==============Below is from Effective Emacs===================
Item 1: Swap Caps-Lock and Control
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条款1：把Caps-Lock和Control键互换！
++
On Windows and Mac keyboards, the Ctrl key is awkwardly located in the far lower-left position on the keyboard. The Ctrl key is critical to using Emacs at all times, so you'll never become an Emacs virtuoso unless you move it to an easier position. That position should be on Home Row, so Caps Lock is the best choice. That's the location of the Control key on most Unix workstation keyboards, for precisely that reason.
-- 
在Windows和苹果Mac键盘上，那个Ctrl键居然被远远地放在左下角，而Ctrl对于emacs的使用却是时时刻刻都很重要的，如果你不把Ctrl放到一个更舒服的位置，你就很难成一个emacs艺术大师了。这位置应该与你的基本手位处于同一行，那么，Caps Lock是最佳选择。在很多unix工作站上，这个位置放的就是Ctrl键，原因同上。
++
To do this on Windows 2000 or XP requires some registry hacking. From the Start menu, choose Run and enter "regedit". In the left-side tree view, click down to:
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要想在w2000或者XP中实现这个互换，需要修改注册表。从开始菜单中选择“运行”，输入regedit。在左边的树状视图中，找到：
++
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Keyboard Layout
-- 
XXXXX不用译了。
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Click on the KeyboardLayout entry to give it the focus. Make sure it has the focus and not one of its children. Then from the Edit menu, choose New Binary Value, and name it Scancode Map. It should show as type REG_BINARY.
-- 
点击 KeyboardLayout 项，使之获得焦点。再从“编辑”菜单中选择新建一个二进制值，命名为 "Scancode Map"，它的类型应该显示为 REG_BINARY。
++
Then select the new Scancode Map entry you just created, and from the Edit menu (whose contents should have changed), choose Modify Binary Data. In the dialog box called Edit Binary Value, enter the following data:
0000: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0008: 03 00 00 00 3A 00 1D 00
0010: 1D 00 3A 00 00 00 00 00
-- 
然后选择这个新建的"Scancode Map"值项，用“编辑”菜单中选择修改二进制值，在二进制编辑对话框中，输入下列数据：
0000: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0008: 03 00 00 00 3A 00 1D 00
0010: 1D 00 3A 00 00 00 00 00
++

Select OK to close the dialog, then exit the Registry Editor. The caps and ctrl keys should be swapped as soon as you log out and back in again. It may require a reboot.
-- 
选择OK关闭对话框，退出注册表编辑器，注销后重登入，你的caps和ctrl键应该就互换成功了。也可能要重启一次。
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On Linux in X-Windows, you use the xmodmap utility. Create a file in your home directory called .xmodmap if it doesn't already exist, and put in the following lines:
!
! Swap Caps_Lock and Control_L
!
remove Lock = Caps_Lock
remove Control = Control_L
keysym Control_L = Caps_Lock
keysym Caps_Lock = Control_L
add Lock = Caps_Lock
add Control = Control_L
Save it, and add the line xmodmap ~/.xmodmap into your ~/.bash_profile.
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在linux的X-Window中，可以使用xmodmap工具。在你的主目录新建一个名字为.xmodmap的文件，如果已经存在则只需修改。向该文件加入下列内容：
!
! Swap Caps_Lock and Control_L
!
remove Lock = Caps_Lock
remove Control = Control_L
keysym Control_L = Caps_Lock
keysym Caps_Lock = Control_L
add Lock = Caps_Lock
add Control = Control_L
保存，再向你的 ~/.bash_profile 文件加入一行：
xmodmap ~/.xmodmap
++
On Mac OS X (Panther and Jaguar) you need to install a modified keyboard driver, which is a little scary, but it seems to work. Here's a discussion of the driver. Alternately, if you're not using a Mac laptop, there appears to be an XML file you can edit as root; it's described here.
-- 
This URL has some information on doing it on other systems.
在Mac OS X（Panther或Jaguar）中，你得安装一个修改过的键盘驱动，这说来有些吓人，但是很有效。
这儿有个关于驱动的讨论：
http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20031102032521826
如果你用的不是Mac笔记本，好像有一个XML文件可以编辑来实现，可以参考这儿：
http://www.eecs.wsu.edu/%7Eschneidj/mac-os-x-10.3.html#swap
下面的URL有一条关于在其它系统上实现的信息：
http://www.manicai.net/comp/swap-caps-ctrl.html
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我在非简体中文XP下使用emacs，输入简体中文会有乱码，看.emacs中也设上了utf8，也不知还有哪里需要设置？

vim只要设置为utf8后倒是万事OK。

不过说起编程世界中各种PK，此起彼伏，对新人来说还真是热闹，总得来说都没有多大意义。


在 07-12-27，Chuan Qin<anewrer在gmail.com> 写道：
> emacs 好用的，emacs23 对unicode支持很好，为什么不用呢？
> 基本上什么都是emacs写的，有的时候用emacs里的M-x shell来当terminal使。
>
> 另，每次看到别人的好玩东西就往自己.emacs里面加，结果越加启动越慢^_^。
> 再另，不知道用emacs的各位用手的什么地方来按 Ctrl 的，以前用小指头，有点受不了，现在改用手掌来按了。
>
>  在07-12-26，Kula <kulasama在gmail.com> 写道：
> > 我想说的是..那些说emacs好的人你们平常用的编辑器真的是emacs吗？
> >
> >
> > >
> >
>
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排版乱了， 重新帖一下：

REGEDIT4  
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Keyboard Layout]  
"Scancode Map"= hex: 00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,03,00,00,00,3a,00,1d,e0,1d,e0,3a,00,00,00,00,00 

 

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Sent: 2007年12月27日 23:41
To: python-chinese在lists.python.cn
Subject: Re: [python-chinese] 给大家推荐一个编辑器

关于怎么按Ctrl的问题。 我现在把Caps Lock键改成Ctrl键了。
在Windows XP可以通过注册表来改。

从一篇叫Effective Emacs的文章上学的：（文章上是把Caps Lock跟Left Ctrl互换。 我用起来很不习惯。 我自己配置成Caps Lock跟right Ctrl互换了。
我的配置是 （写到一个.reg, 然后双击导入注册表， 然后注销重新登录就行了）：

REGEDIT4
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Keyboard Layout] "Scancode Map"= hex: 00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,03,00,00,00,3a,00,1d,e0,1d,e0,3a,00,00,00,00,00 

）
==============Below is from Effective Emacs=================== Item 1: Swap Caps-Lock and Control
--
条款1：把Caps-Lock和Control键互换！
++
On Windows and Mac keyboards, the Ctrl key is awkwardly located in the far lower-left position on the keyboard. The Ctrl key is critical to using Emacs at all times, so you'll never become an Emacs virtuoso unless you move it to an easier position. That position should be on Home Row, so Caps Lock is the best choice. That's the location of the Control key on most Unix workstation keyboards, for precisely that reason.
--
在Windows和苹果Mac键盘上，那个Ctrl键居然被远远地放在左下角，而Ctrl对于emacs的使用却是时时刻刻都很重要的，如果你不把Ctrl放到一个更舒服的位置，你就很难成一个emacs艺术大师了。这位置应该与你的基本手位处于同一行，那么，Caps Lock是最佳选择。在很多unix工作站上，这个位置放的就是Ctrl键，原因同上。
++
To do this on Windows 2000 or XP requires some registry hacking. From the Start menu, choose Run and enter "regedit". In the left-side tree view, click down to:
--
要想在w2000或者XP中实现这个互换，需要修改注册表。从开始菜单中选择“运行”，输入regedit。在左边的树状视图中，找到：
++
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Keyboard Layout
--
XXXXX不用译了。
++
Click on the KeyboardLayout entry to give it the focus. Make sure it has the focus and not one of its children. Then from the Edit menu, choose New Binary Value, and name it Scancode Map. It should show as type REG_BINARY.
--
点击 KeyboardLayout 项，使之获得焦点。再从“编辑”菜单中选择新建一个二进制值，命名为 "Scancode Map"，它的类型应该显示为 REG_BINARY。
++
Then select the new Scancode Map entry you just created, and from the Edit menu (whose contents should have changed), choose Modify Binary Data. In the dialog box called Edit Binary Value, enter the following data:
0000: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0008: 03 00 00 00 3A 00 1D 00
0010: 1D 00 3A 00 00 00 00 00
--
然后选择这个新建的"Scancode Map"值项，用“编辑”菜单中选择修改二进制值，在二进制编辑对话框中，输入下列数据：
0000: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0008: 03 00 00 00 3A 00 1D 00
0010: 1D 00 3A 00 00 00 00 00
++

Select OK to close the dialog, then exit the Registry Editor. The caps and ctrl keys should be swapped as soon as you log out and back in again. It may require a reboot.
-- 
选择OK关闭对话框，退出注册表编辑器，注销后重登入，你的caps和ctrl键应该就互换成功了。也可能要重启一次。
++
On Linux in X-Windows, you use the xmodmap utility. Create a file in your home directory called .xmodmap if it doesn't already exist, and put in the following lines:
!
! Swap Caps_Lock and Control_L
!
remove Lock = Caps_Lock
remove Control = Control_L
keysym Control_L = Caps_Lock
keysym Caps_Lock = Control_L
add Lock = Caps_Lock
add Control = Control_L
Save it, and add the line xmodmap ~/.xmodmap into your ~/.bash_profile.
-- 
在linux的X-Window中，可以使用xmodmap工具。在你的主目录新建一个名字为.xmodmap的文件，如果已经存在则只需修改。向该文件加入下列内容：
!
! Swap Caps_Lock and Control_L
!
remove Lock = Caps_Lock
remove Control = Control_L
keysym Control_L = Caps_Lock
keysym Caps_Lock = Control_L
add Lock = Caps_Lock
add Control = Control_L
保存，再向你的 ~/.bash_profile 文件加入一行：
xmodmap ~/.xmodmap
++
On Mac OS X (Panther and Jaguar) you need to install a modified keyboard driver, which is a little scary, but it seems to work. Here's a discussion of the driver. Alternately, if you're not using a Mac laptop, there appears to be an XML file you can edit as root; it's described here.
-- 
This URL has some information on doing it on other systems.
在Mac OS X（Panther或Jaguar）中，你得安装一个修改过的键盘驱动，这说来有些吓人，但是很有效。
这儿有个关于驱动的讨论：
http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20031102032521826
如果你用的不是Mac笔记本，好像有一个XML文件可以编辑来实现，可以参考这儿：
http://www.eecs.wsu.edu/%7Eschneidj/mac-os-x-10.3.html#swap
下面的URL有一条关于在其它系统上实现的信息：
http://www.manicai.net/comp/swap-caps-ctrl.html
++



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Sent: 2007年12月27日 23:22
To: python-chinese在lists.python.cn
Subject: Re: [python-chinese]给大家推荐一个编辑器

我在非简体中文XP下使用emacs，输入简体中文会有乱码，看.emacs中也设上了utf8，也不知还有哪里需要设置？

vim只要设置为utf8后倒是万事OK。

不过说起编程世界中各种PK，此起彼伏，对新人来说还真是热闹，总得来说都没有多大意义。


在 07-12-27，Chuan Qin<anewrer在gmail.com> 写道：
> emacs 好用的，emacs23 对unicode支持很好，为什么不用呢？
> 基本上什么都是emacs写的，有的时候用emacs里的M-x shell来当terminal使。
>
> 另，每次看到别人的好玩东西就往自己.emacs里面加，结果越加启动越慢^_^。
> 再另，不知道用emacs的各位用手的什么地方来按 Ctrl 的，以前用小指头，有点受不了，现在改用手掌来按了。
>
>  在07-12-26，Kula <kulasama在gmail.com> 写道：
> > 我想说的是..那些说emacs好的人你们平常用的编辑器真的是emacs吗？
> >
> >
> > >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
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在 07-12-27，brianjiang在gdnt.com.cn<brianjiang在gdnt.com.cn> 写道：
>
> 排版乱了， 重新帖一下：
>
> REGEDIT4
> [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Keyboard Layout]
> "Scancode Map"= hex: 00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,03,00,00,00,3a,00,1d,e0,1d,e0,3a,00,00,00,00,00
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: python-chinese-bounces在lists.python.cn [mailto:python-chinese-bounces在lists.python.cn] On Behalf Of brianjiang在gdnt.com.cn
> Sent: 2007年12月27日 23:41
> To: python-chinese在lists.python.cn
> Subject: Re: [python-chinese] 给大家推荐一个编辑器
>
> 关于怎么按Ctrl的问题。 我现在把Caps Lock键改成Ctrl键了。
> 在Windows XP可以通过注册表来改。
>
> 从一篇叫Effective Emacs的文章上学的：（文章上是把Caps Lock跟Left Ctrl互换。 我用起来很不习惯。 我自己配置成Caps Lock跟right Ctrl互换了。
> 我的配置是 （写到一个.reg, 然后双击导入注册表， 然后注销重新登录就行了）：
>
> REGEDIT4
> [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Keyboard Layout] "Scancode Map"= hex: 00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,03,00,00,00,3a,00,1d,e0,1d,e0,3a,00,00,00,00,00
>
> ）
> ==============Below is from Effective Emacs=================== Item 1: Swap Caps-Lock and Control
> --
> 条款1：把Caps-Lock和Control键互换！
> ++
> On Windows and Mac keyboards, the Ctrl key is awkwardly located in the far lower-left position on the keyboard. The Ctrl key is critical to using Emacs at all times, so you'll never become an Emacs virtuoso unless you move it to an easier position. That position should be on Home Row, so Caps Lock is the best choice. That's the location of the Control key on most Unix workstation keyboards, for precisely that reason.
> --
> 在Windows和苹果Mac键盘上，那个Ctrl键居然被远远地放在左下角，而Ctrl对于emacs的使用却是时时刻刻都很重要的，如果你不把Ctrl放到一个更舒服的位置，你就很难成一个emacs艺术大师了。这位置应该与你的基本手位处于同一行，那么，Caps Lock是最佳选择。在很多unix工作站上，这个位置放的就是Ctrl键，原因同上。
> ++
> To do this on Windows 2000 or XP requires some registry hacking. From the Start menu, choose Run and enter "regedit". In the left-side tree view, click down to:
> --
> 要想在w2000或者XP中实现这个互换，需要修改注册表。从开始菜单中选择"运行"，输入regedit。在左边的树状视图中，找到：
> ++
> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Keyboard Layout
> --
> XXXXX不用译了。
> ++
> Click on the KeyboardLayout entry to give it the focus. Make sure it has the focus and not one of its children. Then from the Edit menu, choose New Binary Value, and name it Scancode Map. It should show as type REG_BINARY.
> --
> 点击 KeyboardLayout 项，使之获得焦点。再从"编辑"菜单中选择新建一个二进制值，命名为 "Scancode Map"，它的类型应该显示为 REG_BINARY。
> ++
> Then select the new Scancode Map entry you just created, and from the Edit menu (whose contents should have changed), choose Modify Binary Data. In the dialog box called Edit Binary Value, enter the following data:
> 0000: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
> 0008: 03 00 00 00 3A 00 1D 00
> 0010: 1D 00 3A 00 00 00 00 00
> --
> 然后选择这个新建的"Scancode Map"值项，用"编辑"菜单中选择修改二进制值，在二进制编辑对话框中，输入下列数据：
> 0000: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
> 0008: 03 00 00 00 3A 00 1D 00
> 0010: 1D 00 3A 00 00 00 00 00
> ++
>
> Select OK to close the dialog, then exit the Registry Editor. The caps and ctrl keys should be swapped as soon as you log out and back in again. It may require a reboot.
> --
> 选择OK关闭对话框，退出注册表编辑器，注销后重登入，你的caps和ctrl键应该就互换成功了。也可能要重启一次。
> ++
> On Linux in X-Windows, you use the xmodmap utility. Create a file in your home directory called .xmodmap if it doesn't already exist, and put in the following lines:
> !
> ! Swap Caps_Lock and Control_L
> !
> remove Lock = Caps_Lock
> remove Control = Control_L
> keysym Control_L = Caps_Lock
> keysym Caps_Lock = Control_L
> add Lock = Caps_Lock
> add Control = Control_L
> Save it, and add the line xmodmap ~/.xmodmap into your ~/.bash_profile.
> --
> 在linux的X-Window中，可以使用xmodmap工具。在你的主目录新建一个名字为.xmodmap的文件，如果已经存在则只需修改。向该文件加入下列内容：
> !
> ! Swap Caps_Lock and Control_L
> !
> remove Lock = Caps_Lock
> remove Control = Control_L
> keysym Control_L = Caps_Lock
> keysym Caps_Lock = Control_L
> add Lock = Caps_Lock
> add Control = Control_L
> 保存，再向你的 ~/.bash_profile 文件加入一行：
> xmodmap ~/.xmodmap
> ++
> On Mac OS X (Panther and Jaguar) you need to install a modified keyboard driver, which is a little scary, but it seems to work. Here's a discussion of the driver. Alternately, if you're not using a Mac laptop, there appears to be an XML file you can edit as root; it's described here.
> --
> This URL has some information on doing it on other systems.
> 在Mac OS X（Panther或Jaguar）中，你得安装一个修改过的键盘驱动，这说来有些吓人，但是很有效。
> 这儿有个关于驱动的讨论：
> http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20031102032521826
> 如果你用的不是Mac笔记本，好像有一个XML文件可以编辑来实现，可以参考这儿：
> http://www.eecs.wsu.edu/%7Eschneidj/mac-os-x-10.3.html#swap
> 下面的URL有一条关于在其它系统上实现的信息：
> http://www.manicai.net/comp/swap-caps-ctrl.html
> ++
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: python-chinese-bounces在lists.python.cn [mailto:python-chinese-bounces在lists.python.cn] On Behalf Of 大熊
> Sent: 2007年12月27日 23:22
> To: python-chinese在lists.python.cn
> Subject: Re: [python-chinese]给大家推荐一个编辑器
>
> 我在非简体中文XP下使用emacs，输入简体中文会有乱码，看.emacs中也设上了utf8，也不知还有哪里需要设置？
>
> vim只要设置为utf8后倒是万事OK。
>
> 不过说起编程世界中各种PK，此起彼伏，对新人来说还真是热闹，总得来说都没有多大意义。
>
>
> 在 07-12-27，Chuan Qin<anewrer在gmail.com> 写道：
> > emacs 好用的，emacs23 对unicode支持很好，为什么不用呢？
> > 基本上什么都是emacs写的，有的时候用emacs里的M-x shell来当terminal使。
> >
> > 另，每次看到别人的好玩东西就往自己.emacs里面加，结果越加启动越慢^_^。
> > 再另，不知道用emacs的各位用手的什么地方来按 Ctrl 的，以前用小指头，有点受不了，现在改用手掌来按了。
> >
> >  在07-12-26，Kula <kulasama在gmail.com> 写道：
> > > 我想说的是..那些说emacs好的人你们平常用的编辑器真的是emacs吗？
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Post: send python-chinese在lists.python.cn
> > Subscribe: send subscribe to
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似乎现在大家都喜欢说这些很虚的话。
再退一步好不好？
工具不重要，语言不重要，人才不重要，做出来东西不重要。
有人送钱最重要。

在 07-12-28，faitherq<faitherq在163.com> 写道：
>
>
> 工具不重要，语言不重要，人才重要，做出来东西才重要
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> 支持！！！

赞啊，

随心就好

On Dec 28, 2007 9:54 AM, vicalloy <zbirder at gmail.com> wrote:
> 工具不重要，语言不重要，人才不重要，做出来东西不重要。
> 有人送钱最重要。
>

优秀的人才，会选择优秀的工具，用聪明的方式来快捷的做出东西，并且会把他的经验贡献出来。 ^_^

在 07-12-28，faitherq<faitherq在163.com> 写道：
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> 工具不重要，语言不重要，人才重要，做出来东西才重要
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> 支持！！！
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> 发件人： 刘鑫
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> 主题： Re: [python-chinese]给大家推荐一个编辑器
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> 据说有强人很彪悍的做了个脚踏板来按C和M……
> 我是一般用M+X录入长命令，我脑子慢，记性又不好，长单词最适合我
> 年轻的时候也很小心眼的觉得非我同道必属异端，现在不这样了，现在手边有啥就用啥，工具不重要，语言不重要，人才重要，做出来东西才重要
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> 在07-12-27，Chuan Qin < anewrer在gmail.com> 写道：
> > emacs 好用的，emacs23 对unicode支持很好，为什么不用呢？
> > 基本上什么都是emacs写的，有的时候用emacs里的M-x shell来当terminal使。
> >
> > 另，每次看到别人的好玩东西就往自己.emacs里面加，结果越加启动越慢^_^。
> > 再另，不知道用emacs的各位用手的什么地方来按 Ctrl 的，以前用小指头，有点受不了，现在改用手掌来按了。
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On Dec 31, 2007 1:58 PM, Zhou Honglin <zhou.honglin在gmail.com> wrote:
> tools never hit the core of software development
> 貌似是Rapid Application Development里的话
>
编辑器的功能很多，自动补全只是它自动化或辅助开发的一块功能。编辑器还可以提供一种环境，一种平台，让你的工作更集成，更高效。

的确，有的人不用工具一样可以编出好的程序来，但是并不表示用了工具编出的程序就很差劲。程序一方面要记忆大量的语法，函数，模块，类库，这样才可以减少对工具的依赖，但同时好的工具一样可以减轻对记忆的要求，减少拼写带来的错误，减少某些因为粗心带来的错误，这些对于新手尤为重要。不同的人对工具的追求和要求不同，喜欢用就用好它，不喜欢用也不必劝说别人不同。有些时候不使用强大的工具，需要你付出更多的努力，如记忆，查文档。但是当你已经是一名高手，你更多的应该放在设计上，而不是放在简单的记忆上，而且我也相信你已经牢记的东西，就是使用了工具也不一定就会忘记，只会让你的效率更高。

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